Debates between Lord Grocott and Baroness Barran during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Thu 13th Jul 2023
Tue 12th Jul 2022
Schools Bill [HL]
Lords Chamber

Report stage: Part 1 & Lords Hansard - Part 1
Wed 15th Jun 2022
Schools Bill [HL]
Lords Chamber

Committee stage: Part 1 & Lords Hansard - Part 1

Teacher Vacancies

Debate between Lord Grocott and Baroness Barran
Thursday 13th July 2023

(1 year, 5 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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We keep all these policies under review. The noble Earl will know that we have changed bursaries in response to changes in the market in a number of subjects. We will keep that under review, but we also have to prioritise where we think the gaps are most severe.

Lord Grocott Portrait Lord Grocott (Lab)
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May I make a helpful suggestion to the Minister, who I am sure would like to see the vacancies in our school system filled? We could get some extra funding to do that by removing the charitable status of private schools and spending the money on teachers in state schools.

Schools Bill [HL]

Debate between Lord Grocott and Baroness Barran
Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I am more than happy to take that suggestion back to the department and consider it.

Lord Grocott Portrait Lord Grocott (Lab)
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My Lords, I should like more clarity from the Minister about the procedure that will be adopted as and when the Bill comes back from the Commons. That is according to the current timetable and assumes that the Bill gets a Third Reading, although that may be a false assumption. What we will then have back from the Commons is a substantially different Bill, with heaven knows how many clauses and amendments coming back, which, as I understand it, is to be catered for procedurally just by having a rather extended period for ping-pong. That is really no substitute for what should happen to a Bill—in this case, of course, rather a large section of a Bill—which is that it would have a Committee stage where these ideas could be explored and then a Report stage where the Government could respond, in many cases, to the ideas raised in Committee.

I would like clarity on this matter because we are almost in uncharted waters at the moment. I do not think that an offer to the House of a day for consideration and ping-pong should be a substitute for the proper procedure of a Bill via Committee and Report.

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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When I come to speak at the end of this group, I will set out a bit more about our plans for engagement over the summer, but the proposal that I just ran through has been agreed with the usual channels.

Schools Bill [HL]

Debate between Lord Grocott and Baroness Barran
Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I repeat to my noble friend that this is not a decision that I can make; it is a decision for the Chief Whip and the usual channels.

Lord Grocott Portrait Lord Grocott (Lab)
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My Lords, the specific question my noble friend Lady Chapman asked was about a quite common procedure in this House: if very substantial changes are proposed between Committee and Report, involving large numbers of new clauses et cetera, it is common that a Committee stage should be resumed to consider those precise additions so that the conversation can take place under Committee rules rather than Report rules. I know that the Minister cannot decide on the procedures of the House, but she is—I hope my saying so does not ruin her career—a very accommodating Minister, as far as she is able to be, who does listen to the House. Having listened to most of the Committee so far myself, it is quite clear that many issues need to be discussed if and when there is some clarification about the content of the Bill. That needs to be discussed in Committee.

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I am unable to give any more clarification on that point at this stage. I am sorry that I cannot say anymore to your Lordships.

English Football: Project Big Picture

Debate between Lord Grocott and Baroness Barran
Wednesday 14th October 2020

(4 years, 2 months ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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Well, the noble Lord is right. So many football clubs do a huge amount within their communities beyond the game itself, but the Government’s role is to bring the two sides together. My right honourable friend the Secretary of State and the Minister for Sport have met both sides and are clear that this needs to happen—and happen quickly. On the support we are providing, I have already said that the Government have provided reassurance for the national league clubs.

Lord Grocott Portrait Lord Grocott (Lab)
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Does the Minister agree that one unfortunate characteristic of football in our country for many years has been the inexorable concentration of wealth and power among a small number of elite clubs? Is it not inevitable that the current plan will make a smaller Premier League harder to get into and, unless you are one of the privileged six, much easier to fall out of? Will not that further damage the game by increasing even more the gulf between the elite and everyone else?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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The Government have been very clear about their scepticism and concern about the proposed deal, and have described it, I think, as a distraction at best.