UK-EU Summit

Debate between Keir Starmer and Mark Francois
Tuesday 20th May 2025

(1 week, 6 days ago)

Commons Chamber
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Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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The arrangement we got to yesterday with the EU has absolute clarity: there is no impediment to e-gates, which means that we can now work with member states to get them in place as quickly as possible. We have already started our work with them to get e-gates through. [Interruption.] We have now cleared the barrier and are getting on with it. For many years, we have had queues because of the Conservatives’ bad deal—so pipe down.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) (Con)
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The most pernicious part of this deal is dynamic alignment, by which we become an automatic rule-taker from the European Union. Labour has been briefing journalists that we have an opt-out from that. I have read the document in detail, and we do not. Besides, the ECJ is the ultimate arbiter in a dispute, so the EU will always win. The British people voted peacefully and democratically to leave the European Union, so why has the Prime Minister surrendered that right and made us a rule-taker from the EU once again?

Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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I had forgotten about some of the nonsense that is spouted. On the question of how the rules are made, they will go through a parliamentary process in this House.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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After they have been changed.

Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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We are already aligned. We are in alignment; we are just not getting the benefit of it. This deal gives us the benefit, which will be counted in business, jobs and bills. In relation to an independent arbiter, under this agreement there is independent arbitration where there are disputes.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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Subject to the ECJ! [Interruption.]

Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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They all know this. Every trade deal has an arbitration clause to deal with the settlement of disputes. All trade deals have that, including all the trade deals that the Conservatives negotiated.

On the question of the ECJ, if an issue of European law needs to be referred by the independent arbitrators to the court, it will give a ruling on the interpretation. It will then pass back to the arbitrators to make the final decision. That is how trade deals work, but I understand the Conservatives’ new policy. Their new policy is against any trade deals. That has never been the Conservative party’s policy before, but it is good that we have clarity now.

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Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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No, that is just wrong under the agreement. There is an independent arbitration—

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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Subject to the Court!

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Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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It was his language, not mine, but this is an important point.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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We genuinely get on. Come on, what is the answer?

Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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We do. There is independent arbitration here, as there is for all of this. That can settle most issues. Where an issue of European law arises, which will not always be the case—

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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Of course it is European law—

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Keir Starmer and Mark Francois
Wednesday 30th April 2025

(1 month ago)

Commons Chamber
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Keir Starmer Portrait The Prime Minister
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Under the last Government, we saw 1 million incidents of fly-tipping. Under Conservative councils, we see enforcement down and fly-tipping up: look at Tory-led Northumberland, where instances of fly-tipping are up 76%. We are introducing tough powers to seize and crush the vehicles of commercial fly-tippers, who now face up to five years in prison for operating illegally. That is a Labour Government clearing up the mess left by the Conservatives.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) (Con)
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A week tomorrow, the whole nation will come together to commemorate VE Day. Those who fought in world war two, including my own father, would often attest that no one did more to maintain their morale in adversity than Dame Vera Lynn, the forces’ sweetheart. For several years, a doughty band of campaigners has been trying to create a national memorial in her honour. I am pleased to tell the House that they now have a stunning design, that they have a site—appropriately, at Dover—and that they have already raised over three quarters of the funding that they would need. At this very special time, will the Prime Minister lend his support in principle to this noble endeavour, and will he accept a personal briefing on the campaign—in which case I suspect that he and I will meet again?