All 2 Debates between Karen Buck and Owen Smith

Universal Credit Work Allowance

Debate between Karen Buck and Owen Smith
Wednesday 6th January 2016

(8 years, 11 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith
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My hon. Friend is absolutely right as usual, and I think 10,000 of his constituents will eventually be affected with lower incomes as a result of these changes. He is also right about the transitional protections and the way in which the Secretary of State has, I think, sought to misrepresent those as covering the losses; I will come to that later in my speech.

Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith
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Before I do, however, I will give way to my expert friend.

Karen Buck Portrait Ms Buck
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That is kind—and inaccurate. Like many Opposition colleagues I was besieged by constituents concerned about their tax credit cuts in the run-up to the spending review. They were horrified that a Government who said making work pay was going to be their mantra should do this to working people. Does my hon. Friend think the 600,000 Londoners on tax credits—7,000 in my constituency—will be equally horrified to know the sting is still in the tail and working people are going to lose out dramatically as UC is rolled out?

Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith
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I think that, more than that, they will be absolutely cheesed off to the back teeth that this Government have tried to pull the wool over their eyes, because the truth is these are precisely the same cuts that were proposed through tax credits—almost exactly the same amount of money will be saved through these cuts to the work allowances as was previously proposed.

Welfare Reform and Work Bill

Debate between Karen Buck and Owen Smith
Tuesday 27th October 2015

(9 years, 2 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith
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That is a brilliant point, and extremely well made. There are myriad examples of waste and incompetence in the handling of our DWP budget under this Government, not least the enormous increase in housing benefit.

Karen Buck Portrait Ms Karen Buck (Westminster North) (Lab)
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Does the Conservative party not fail to understand what tax credits are all about? The tax credit policy was successful in that it moved people into work, and, in particular, underpinned the major progress that was made when single parents were allowed to move into work. When we talk about saving money, should we not see that in the context of the tax credit policy’s success in moving people from worklessness into sustainable employment?

Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith
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My hon. Friend speaks with enormous experience and expertise, and she is completely right. As I said earlier, tax credits are a policy success. In 1997, 43% of single parents in Britain went out to work; today, the figure is 65%. There has been a 50% increase in the number of single parents who are in work, and that is a measure of the success of tax credits.