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Debate between Julian Lewis and George Osborne

Monday 23rd April 2012 Commons Chamber

[Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con)]

When one’s friends are trapped in a burning building, is not the kindest thing to do to lead them in the direction of the exits in an orderly way, rather than give them billions to stay exactly where they are?

[Mr Osborne]

I would say that it is to make sure that the fire brigade has enough water to deal with the problem.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Julian Lewis and George Osborne

Tuesday 1st November 2011 Commons Chamber

[Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con)]

1. What assessment he has made of the potential effects on UK interests of the creation of an economic government of the Eurozone.

[The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr George Osborne)]

We have had positive gross domestic product numbers this morning, but the biggest single boost to the British economy this autumn would be a lasting resolution of the euro crisis. Such a resolution requires, among many other things, greater fiscal integration within the eurozone as it follows the remorseless logic of monetary union. We have made it clear that Britain will not be part of that fiscal integration, and that issues affecting Britain, such as the single market and financial services regulation, must continue to be decided at EU level.

[Dr Lewis]

If the Liberal Democrats had had their way, we would have joined the euro with disastrous consequences. Now, the liberal Conservatives are advising us to support fiscal union in the eurozone, which will lead to economic union and a single government. How does my right hon. Friend really feel about a policy undermining the system of democratic states in Europe that gave the continent peace for more than half a century?

[Mr Osborne]

Those who were against Britain joining the euro, including my hon. Friend and me, were against it partly because we felt that it would lead to greater fiscal integration. That was one of the arguments for keeping Britain out. There is a remorseless logic driving monetary union towards greater fiscal integration, but it is in Britain’s overwhelming economic national interest to have stability in the eurozone, so I think that that fiscal integration is part of what is required. Of course, we have to ensure that Britain’s interests are protected, that we are not part of that fiscal integration, and that issues such as the single market and financial regulation are conducted at the level of the 27.

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[Mr Osborne]

The right hon. Gentleman shakes his head, but in 2011 the British economy has grown at exactly the same rate as the United States economy. It has taken a completely different course from the one that he suggested as shadow Chancellor and yet it has the same growth, which shows that what we are doing is bringing stability to the British economy. Frankly, for him to get up every week and say that we need a deficit reduction plan, but not to give us any details, shows how hopelessly out of touch he is.

[Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con)]

T4. If the Greeks can have a referendum on Europe, why can’t we?