All 3 Debates between Jim Allister and Dan Tomlinson

Finance (No. 2) Bill

Debate between Jim Allister and Dan Tomlinson
Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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If the Conservatives had credible plans and a credible history of reining in welfare spending, then I would, of course, be interested in taking them seriously. However, it was the shadow Chancellor, the right hon. Member for Central Devon (Sir Mel Stride), who was the Work and Pensions Secretary when the welfare budget exploded. We are now trying to get on top of that.

I will not address new clauses 15 to 19 directly. The Government have set out our position on them at previous stages, although I do urge the House to reject them today.

I will now turn to the points raised by the hon. and learned Member for North Antrim (Jim Allister) around amendments 112 to 139, which would have the effect of removing the distinction between the options available in respect of “specified Northern Ireland companies” and other companies from clauses 13, 14 and 15. The hon. and learned Gentleman has made his views known very clearly both today and on Second Reading. I will make the same point that the Economic Secretary to the Treasury made on Second Reading: as he will be aware—although he did not, I believe, mention this in his speech —service companies are able to benefit from the increase in the threshold. It is the Government’s understanding that there are very few, if any, goods and electricity companies in Northern Ireland that are close to the current enterprise management incentive limits, and we therefore think there will be minimal impact from these companies being subject to the previous scheme limits.

Jim Allister Portrait Jim Allister
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Is the Minister saying to the House that the criterion here is to look at each region and see who is near the thresholds, and then to magically increase those that are? Surely the truth is that the Minister is not increasing the threshold because he has handed the power to do so to a foreign jurisdiction.

Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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I am just stating a fact, which is that there are few—if any—businesses near the relevant thresholds. The hon. and learned Member made the point that the Government’s decision may be hampering growth and investment; I do not think that is the case. I am proud to be a member of a Government who are seeking to deepen and strengthen our ties with the European Union so that we in this country can increase our productivity through better flowing trade, working together with our partners. I therefore urge the House to reject amendments 112 to 139.

Amendments 6 and 8 relate to the changes to business property relief and agricultural property relief as raised by the shadow Exchequer Secretary as well as the hon. Members for Weald of Kent (Katie Lam) and for Keighley and Ilkley (Robbie Moore). If we were to adopt those amendments, we would weaken the public purse by about £300 million a year. It would also leave a status quo that contributes to the very largest estates paying lower average effective inheritance tax rates than the smallest estates. I therefore urge the House to reject those amendments.

The hon. Member for Keighley and Ilkley asked for clarity on payment deadlines in the inheritance tax system. The Government’s position is that the six-month point is the right one. It has applied for a long time, and it is not our position to change that timeline when these changes come into force.

Agricultural Property Relief and Business Property Relief

Debate between Jim Allister and Dan Tomlinson
Monday 5th January 2026

(2 months, 3 weeks ago)

Commons Chamber
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Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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We think it is right to have the same level across the country. It is the same in other parts of our tax system, and it would not be right to have different tax thresholds for different small parts of the country.

Jim Allister Portrait Jim Allister (North Antrim) (TUV)
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I certainly welcome the increase in the threshold as far as it goes, and I commend the campaigning farmers who secured it. In explaining it today, the Minister said that the Government have “got the balance right”, but of course those are the very words that he used at the Dispatch Box and in Westminster Hall when defending the £1 million threshold, and each time he caused torment and anxiety to farming families. Is he sorry for the anxiety caused needlessly to those farmers?

Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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The number of estates that will be affected by this change will fall by half as a result of the changes that the Government announced late last year after listening to representations from various business and farming communities. That means that rather than 375 estates being affected per year, it will now be closer to 185 estates affected per year. Around 85% of estates will not pay any additional inheritance tax, and the vast majority of those that do will pay significantly less than they would have done before the change we announced late last year.

Family Farming in Northern Ireland

Debate between Jim Allister and Dan Tomlinson
Tuesday 28th October 2025

(5 months ago)

Westminster Hall
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Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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I will happily look at any report any Member recommends I read, so I encourage the hon. Gentleman to send it my way.

Since we took office, the Government have taken a range of decisions to seek to restore economic stability and raise revenue to help support our public services, because it was vital to attempt to sort out the mess we inherited, so that we can invest again in the future. The decision to reform APR and BPR was one of the decisions that enabled us to do that.

Under the current system, the 100% relief on business and agricultural assets is heavily skewed towards the very wealthiest estates. According to data from His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs for 2021-22, almost half of agricultural property relief across the UK—40%—was claimed by just 7% of the estates that made claims. That is £219 million in tax foregone from just over 100 estates.

It is a similar picture for business property relief, which is linked and is treated in the same way under the reforms, with more than 50% of business property relief claimed by just 4% of estates. That is £558 million in tax foregone from just 158 estates. That contributes to the very largest estates paying much lower tax rates than smaller estates and everyday people up and down the country.

Jim Allister Portrait Jim Allister
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In that context, does the CenTax report not make evident sense? If we impose the full-blooded inheritance tax on the top end—on those above £10 million—are we not reaping the same tax return, while at the same time not punishing and driving out of existence those at the bottom end? Is that not logical, and is that not right?

Dan Tomlinson Portrait Dan Tomlinson
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The hon. and learned Member raises the CenTax report, and it is worth noting some points about the analysis in that report. First, the Government have consistently said that around 520 farms would be paying additional inheritance tax as a result of the reforms announced at the Budget last year.

Members from all parties have been turning to the CenTax report as an independent analysis of the Government’s reforms. That report agrees with us on the number of farms that will be affected. That independent analysis conducted separately from the Government comes out with the same conclusion on the number of farms that will be affected and it says that its proposal—the minimum share proposal, which the hon. and learned Member for North Antrim mentions—would more than double the number of estates that would pay additional inheritance tax. I do not think the right way forward is to have the number of estates that would be affected increase from about 500 to, I think, about 1,200. I have looked at the report, which has been raised by Members from all parties, but I do not think it is the silver bullet that others have concluded it could be.

The context I just set out is why we are changing how we target agricultural property relief and business property relief from April next year. We are doing so in a way that maintains a significant relief for estates, including smaller farms and businesses. Individuals will still get 100% relief for the first £1 million of combined business and agricultural assets. I know that Members know this, but it is worth setting out the position again. On top of that amount, there will be a 50% relief. That means that inheritance tax will be paid at a rate of up to 20% rather than the standard 40%.