Graham Stuart
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(1 day, 9 hours ago)
Commons Chamber
Dan Tomlinson
The president of the National Farmers Union mentioned in his speech to the farmers’ conference just a few weeks ago that he was glad of my engagement with farmers—he personally called out that engagement. I took a trip to the constituency of my hon. Friend the Member for Hexham (Joe Morris), after being invited there by him, and I was glad to meet farmers there and learn about their experiences.
Amendments 89 to 94 seek to exclude the value of any joint interest in certain agricultural business tenancies from the £2.5 million allowance for 100% relief. It is worth pointing out that the drafting of the amendments risks those tenancies falling outside the allowance entirely so that, rather than providing 100% relief, the Government are concerned that the drafting would mean that the relief might well be capped at 50% for those with joint tenancies. That is certainly a reason to reject those amendments.
Dan Tomlinson
If the right hon. Member will forgive me, I will make progress, having spoken for eight minutes already.
Amendments 102 to 107 would mean that unlimited 100% agricultural property relief would be available on agricultural land rented out for at least 10 years. The Government’s position is that the House should reject these amendments.
The hon. Member for Witney (Charlie Maynard) also spoke to new clause 11. The Government have decided on a range of thresholds that will continue to be frozen until the end of the decade. We have made the decision across the piece, as was mentioned earlier, to sustainably and fairly raise revenue to fund our public services and get borrowing down. I therefore urge the House to reject amendments 102 to 107. I will not address in detail new clause 12 or amendments 67 to 87, 95 to 100 and 108 to 111, as the Government have set out their position on those amendments at previous stages, and I urge the House to reject them.
My hon. Friends the Members for Stoke-on-Trent Central (Gareth Snell), and for Halesowen (Alex Ballinger), both made important contributions on the amendments relating to gambling duty. I have twice met the Minister from Gibraltar mentioned by my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central and have been in correspondence with him. I understand that there are significant impacts on the economy in Gibraltar, and I hope to keep engaging on and discussing that.
Dan Tomlinson
We will, of course, continue to engage with Ministers in Gibraltar. It would not be appropriate for me to write future Budgets at this Dispatch Box today, but we have made a significant change when it comes to gambling taxation. Rather than make further changes, the Government will monitor the impact of that change. I also thank my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen for his contributions and representations.
The hon. Member for Aberdeen North (Kirsty Blackman) made a helpful speech— with not much notice, I understand. She raised the matter of alcohol duty. It is worth pointing out that the uprating in alcohol duty just keeps the revenue in line with inflation. We have seen reductions in alcohol consumption, driven not by the tax staying in line with inflation, but changes in consumers’ consumption habits. I therefore urge the House to reject amendment 101 and new clause 20.
The Minister has overcome his natural reluctance, and I am grateful to him. A lot of people get confused about the BPR tax changes. If there was £10 million in a company that someone inherited, and it was subject to those changes, the claim is that they would only have to pay £2 million in tax, but in fact the money to pay that tax has to be extracted from the company, so the person who inherits it, rather than the company, pays it. Will the Minister confirm that? In other words, if the money was taken out in the form of dividends, it would be £3.3 million, instead of £2 million, and that would have a very real impact on a small company. In fact, it could be existential.
Dan Tomlinson
I will not get into specific worked examples. The general point is that the Government have made changes both to business property relief and to agricultural property relief, in order to raise additional revenue from the very wealthiest estates. We have sought to do that because we want to put fairness into our tax system.
The CBAM was mentioned by the Opposition, and by my hon. Friend the Member for Mid and South Pembrokeshire (Henry Tufnell). I thank him for his strong advocacy for his constituency, and the thousand people who work in the refinery there. The Government said at the Budget that we recognise the important role that refineries play in our energy security, and we are now considering the feasibility and impact of including refined products in the CBAM in future. It is very complicated, and there would be knock-on impacts on other sectors if the Government were to proceed with that. I have met representatives from the sector recently, and I will continue to engage with them.
Finally, I turn to new clause 4, which requires the Chancellor to report on how the regulations in the prohibition address the harm to individuals and businesses from online tax avoidance promotion, and the steps that His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs should take to inform the public of the risk posed by online tax avoidance. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Walthamstow (Ms Creasy) for raising the important issue of avoidance promotion. I agree with her that it is appalling that these individuals promote tax avoidance schemes and get away with it. It causes misery to those caught up in the schemes, and deprives our public services of vital revenue. The Government are taking action via this Finance Bill to crack down on them.
I confirm to the House that the measures introduced in clauses 156 to 162 apply equally to those promoting avoidance schemes online, including on social media, and to those promoting them through more traditional routes. I can also confirm that the promoter action notice in clauses 163 to 173 will also apply.
I would also like to reassure my hon. Friend that we are publishing guidance on these matters, and I will ensure that it is clear throughout that the Government’s intention is to capture anyone who is promoting tax avoidance. This includes social media influencers who are making a monetary gain through clicks, as highlighted by my hon. Friend, and I would welcome her engagement in developing the guidance.