Oral Answers to Questions
Debate between Charles Hendry and Mark Spencer
Charles Hendry
I would always be delighted to find a chance to go to the hon. Gentleman’s constituency. As he knows, I fought Clackmannan in the 1983 election. They did not see the need for my presence there at that time, but finding other reasons to go back would be a great pleasure. We see this issue as an important part of coal policy, and we want it to provide a long-term future for coal in the energy mix. There are tremendous resources around the United Kingdom, and the work being done in his constituency and elsewhere is important to that process.
Mr Mark Spencer (Sherwood) (Con)
22. The Minister also fought a seat in Mansfield, very close to Thoresby colliery. If he wants to come half way up the country, he might come to see the good work going on at Thoresby colliery. I hope that he can assure the House that when the clean coal technology is developed, it will give this country a great future of energy reserves.
Charles Hendry
I did eventually work out that fighting mining seats was not the best way to get elected to this House; it is more accurate to say that they fought me, rather than I fought them. Many areas around this country have tremendous resources that can benefit from this technology and, in addition, great technological skills that we can bring forward in this process. This is a world-class, world-leading competition, and it is a very exciting time for this industry.
Coal-fired Power Stations
Debate between Charles Hendry and Mark Spencer(13 years, 5 months ago)
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Charles Hendry
Energy remains a retained power. Clearly, the Scottish Government have decision-making powers on planning. That is why they have ruled out such things as new nuclear in Scotland. Nevertheless, energy policy is driven from Whitehall and Westminster. We therefore believe that if this is something that we want to achieve as a national Government, then we should be in the driving seat. If the Scottish Government were to say, “Here is a few million pounds to make it happen”, we would of course be very enthusiastic and grateful to them, although there are not many indications so far that the cheque is in the post. Nevertheless, this will be taken forward by us, as a Government and as the Department of Energy and Climate Change, with a cross-party approach here, and I hope that we can find that agreement in the course of the next few months.
We have a range of technologies, an issue touched on by my hon. Friend the Member for Sherwood. This should not just be about post-combustion technology. We need to look at oxy-fuel combustion and pre-combustion technologies, and that is what we want to see coming forward. In the course of the rest of this year we will set out the nature of the competition for the remaining projects—projects 2 to 4—and look at where we would like that to add to our knowledge, the type of technology that we may wish to see coming through with that, and to apply that to gas, too. Again, the world outlook on gas has changed a great deal and we need to take account of that.
I would say to my hon. Friend the Member for Sherwood that this is a technology that is still in its infancy. We know that the individual parts of it can work. We know that it can be separated—we have seen that done on a small scale. We know that it can be transported and we know that it can be injected into the sea bed. However, nobody in the world has done that at scale, so we do not yet know what the challenges are of doing that at scale, or what the costs will be. In terms of a time scale, to have four projects running by 2020 is extremely ambitious. We are not going to arrive at a stage where we can move it beyond that. We can absolutely see this technology moving forward in the 2020s. Global ambition suggests perhaps 100 projects by 2020, but 3,000 projects by 2050. This is therefore a process that will inevitably start carefully, but then build up dramatically over time. Everything that we are doing here is determined to ensure that the United Kingdom can be in a real leadership position. What we also see from industry shows that it wants to be part of that process. The NER300 process is a European competition, and almost half of the schemes coming forward for CCS are in the United Kingdom. That shows the appetite among our industry, our universities and our whole supply chain to help lead in this area.
Mr Spencer
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, as I have taken up more than my quota of time. Given that the new technology will not be on the street until 2020, we will not be in a position to build nuclear power stations to that time scale, and renewable energy will not be large enough to make the shortfall, does he anticipate that the only way we can supply the nation will be by importing that power from our neighbours?
Charles Hendry
No, I do not, although I see it as being an important contributor. The investment in gas that we are seeing shows that the energy company industry is keen to invest in the gas infrastructure, too. We want to see that bid grow out of renewables, but some of those technologies for UK tidal would be in the 2020s. We want to see offshore wind ramping up in the course of this decade. My hon. Friend is absolutely right that nuclear is towards the end of this decade, but as we start to deal with the crunch to which the hon. Member for Blackley and Broughton referred, we need to see additional gas infrastructure, too. We should not rule out interconnecters as part of that process.
Finally, I want to come to the issue of biomass. I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Thurrock (Jackie Doyle-Price) for the point she made on that. Electricity from biomass is important to our renewable energy targets, because it brings security of supply benefits. It is dispatchable; in other words, when we need more power, we can generate more power. It can be turned up and it can be turned down. It is one of the few renewable energy sources that is genuinely adaptable in that respect. Large-scale dedicated biomass has the potential to develop significant levels of renewable electricity by 2020. Electricity from dedicated biomass is cheaper than some other large-scale electricity sources. If biomass generation needed to meet the renewable energy target was displaced by more expensive technologies, then inevitably there would be a higher cost to consumers.
It is encouraging to see the interest from Drax, which is developing dedicated biomass. The work at Tilbury is ground-breaking and I join my hon. Friend the Member for Thurrock in paying tribute to RWE npower for the work it is doing to make that happen. Part of the renewables obligation banding review, which, as I said, we have brought forward by a year, will be to determine the appropriate level of support to bring forward either biomass conversion or co-firing, because of the contribution that they can make.
In conclusion, we believe, without any doubt, that coal can play an important role in our electricity-generating mix in the future, but only if its carbon dioxide emissions can be reduced significantly. Electricity market reform will provide the commercial incentives to deliver new low-carbon plant, and our CCS demonstration programme will ensure that there is a cost-competitive solution to the emissions from coal.
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Sherwood. This has been a long-overdue debate, and one that has been extremely constructive. I rejoice at the fact that we can talk about coal, with Members on both sides of the House talking about its opportunities and its importance. I welcome that—it is a big step forward.
Oral Answers to Questions
Debate between Charles Hendry and Mark Spencer(14 years, 3 months ago)
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Charles Hendry
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that question, which does not directly relate to local authorities, but I can say that we are looking at these rates in the totality of the comprehensive spending review. We inherited schemes from the previous Administration that were extremely generous but which were not absolutely clear as to who was going to pay for them and how they were going to be paid for. We are absolutely committed to encouraging the roll-out of renewable electricity and renewable heat, but we must study very carefully exactly how these schemes can be paid for.
Mr Mark Spencer (Sherwood) (Con)
T1. If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities.