Debates between Catherine McKinnell and Michael Ellis during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Tue 5th Jul 2022
Tue 11th Jan 2022

Standards in Public Life

Debate between Catherine McKinnell and Michael Ellis
Tuesday 5th July 2022

(2 years, 4 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Michael Ellis Portrait Michael Ellis
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I think we have said that arrangements will be put in place. [Hon. Members: “When?”] In due course.

Catherine McKinnell Portrait Catherine McKinnell (Newcastle upon Tyne North) (Lab)
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Quite frankly, this stinks. The Minister does us all a disservice today, because standards in public life do matter, despite what anyone on the Government Benches might say. People need to be sure that the people who make decisions and work in organisations that work on their behalf can be trusted, and we no longer have an independent ethics adviser since he resigned. Does the Minister not believe that it is urgent that a new ethics adviser is found and put in place, because otherwise how can anyone trust this Government to uphold standards and investigate breaches effectively?

Michael Ellis Portrait Michael Ellis
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I have already said that the matter is being given the closest attention by the Prime Minister and by Downing Street. We do focus on standards in public life, as we do, as I have adumbrated before, in the list of matters that are available to those who seek to make complaints and wish to make complaints. In the interim period, people can make complaints to their permanent secretary, or the permanent secretary of the relevant Department, and that appears to be what happened in this case in 2019.

Downing Street Garden Event

Debate between Catherine McKinnell and Michael Ellis
Tuesday 11th January 2022

(2 years, 10 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Michael Ellis Portrait Michael Ellis
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My hon. Friend makes a good point. The reality is that we have a number of dates that have come out at different times. That will presumably have the effect of delaying matters, but we have commissioned the terms of reference of the investigation, which I told this House about on 9 December. It is laid in the Libraries of both Houses that any dates that the second permanent secretary feels are appropriate to investigate, she will. I have confirmed to the House that 15 and 20 May 2020 are now among those dates.

Catherine McKinnell Portrait Catherine McKinnell (Newcastle upon Tyne North) (Lab)
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Does the Paymaster General agree that it would be utterly obscene if, at the same time—[Interruption.]

Catherine McKinnell Portrait Catherine McKinnell
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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does the Paymaster General agree that it would be utterly obscene if, at the same time that a support group for recovering alcoholics was contacting me, desperate to meet because they needed the mutual support to manage their addiction during the crushing isolation of lockdown, staff at No. 10 were not only being encouraged to gather, but being told to bring their own booze while doing so? I appreciate that the Prime Minister is not here to answer for his actions, but does the Paymaster General agree that that would be obscene?

Michael Ellis Portrait Michael Ellis
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I am not going to presuppose any conclusions of the inquiry. It is taking place and even the Leader of the Opposition has said that we should let the inquiry play out and see what the findings are. Conclusions can be drawn then.