2014 JHA Opt-out Decision Debate

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2014 JHA Opt-out Decision

Baroness Primarolo Excerpts
Monday 15th July 2013

(10 years, 9 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Chris Heaton-Harris Portrait Chris Heaton-Harris (Daventry) (Con)
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It was a private conversation.

Baroness Primarolo Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo)
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Surprisingly enough, there are no private conversations in the Chamber; Members are supposed to have them outside. That is not a point of order for me, in the sense that I saw no indication—and have heard no indication—of the Government’s attitude to the amendments, unless the Justice Secretary wants to correct me, although he is not obliged to.

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It might be helpful to the House to say—as I was intending to in my winding-up speech, but this will stop everybody making the point all the way through the debate—that we will accept the amendment standing in the names of my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Mr Cash), my right hon. Friend the Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Sir Alan Beith) and the right hon. Member for Leicester East (Keith Vaz).

Lord Beith Portrait Sir Alan Beith
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Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I claim a reward for getting my amendment accepted before I have actually moved it?

Baroness Primarolo Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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Sir Alan, you were just fractionally ahead of me. I seem to recollect that Mr Speaker said that the amendments would be formally moved at the end of the debate. Perhaps this is an indication that we should have the Government opening and closing a debate before we actually have that debate, so that we know where we stand. Mr Bryant, thank you very much for your point of order—

Chris Bryant Portrait Chris Bryant
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That’s all right—it was a good one.

Baroness Primarolo Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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For a change, but perhaps we could return to Bill Cash.

William Cash Portrait Mr Cash
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I really have no more to add, because this has been a highly satisfactory, if slightly informal, way of proceeding. I am extremely glad that the Justice Secretary has said that the Government will accept amendment (b), because it demonstrates that, even in the inquisitorial system that we have, accountability and good sense can run together.