Manchester Terrorism Attack

Baroness Foster of Oxton Excerpts

Wednesday 15th October 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I am grateful to my noble friend. As chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee of both Houses of Parliament, he will have access to information that gives greater detail and background to some of the threats that we face from people of both Islamist and right-wing neofascist tendencies. He will know that in this online space there is greater potential for the radicalisation of individuals who will sit in a bedroom and look at stuff and be drawn down a kaleidoscope of activity to reach areas where people who wish this country or individual communities ill will radicalise them downstream.

We introduced the Online Safety Act. As a matter of some urgency, we need to look at making sure that technology companies take down information that is poisonous, and we keep that under constant review. I would welcome recommendations and support from the Intelligence and Security Committee, which will see information that Members of this House will not see, to ensure that we improve the policy objective of ensuring that online radicalisation is as limited as it can be as a result of actions that the Government and tech companies on an international and national basis can take.

[Baroness Foster of Oxton (Con)]

First, I thank the Minister for the Statement, which was most helpful and comprehensive, and I echo the thanks to the emergency services on that day in Manchester, which was a most appalling event.

I shall raise two areas. Of course, we welcome anything that the Home Secretary can do to deal with these antisemitic protests, but, frankly, I do not think that we can wait. There are enough laws in place to prevent them continuing. This was an event that was waiting to happen, notwithstanding the escalation of these protests over the past two years—certainly since the 7 October attacks in Israel. I recall that we had meetings with the Metropolitan Police over 18 months ago, and we said to them, “How can we stop these protests?” These people were calling for jihad and the annihilation of the State of Israel and all Jews and anybody else that they could think of. It was overt—it was on the streets, where they carried placards about Nazism, and all of those things. We were told, “Well, of course, we can stop these protests if they reach a certain threshold”. My point was what threshold needed to be reached, if they were already calling for the death and destruction of citizens of this country. We are now another 18 months on, and I do not think that we can wait for further legislation to be passed. These protests now need to stop—and it was totally offensive that they continued after the attacks in Manchester. That was absolutely appalling. These people have no conscience and no moral compass. But let us see where we go with this.

My second point is on the radicalisation of Islam. The noble Lord, Lord Khan, can help here. What we are aware of is that we have clerics in mosques around this country, and they are actually purporting death and destruction to Jews. It is all there—it is on video, the police have the evidence and nothing is done. We know that there have been clerics coming from quite difficult countries such as the Islamic Republic of Iran, where we know that people there are preaching death and destruction, which is radicalising young people. My question then is—and the role that the noble Lord, Lord Khan, has played is very important—how are the services in this country dealing with these people? They are also, I am afraid, responsible for the actions that happened in Manchester and the continuing antisemitism, which is not going away, on the streets of cities in this country.

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I am starting from the basis that protest is legitimate—and that can be protest on a range of issues. People can march and protest and make their point known. However, there are thresholds beyond which harassment, criminal incitement or physical incitement to activity are criminally sanctioned. The police have made arrests and will continue to do so on a range of issues, if people cross that threshold.

What we are looking at, which I hope will assist the noble Baroness, is that at the moment the police have powers to stop, reroute and time marches that are going through or appearing in areas where there could be additional heightened tension. We know what those examples could be—but at the moment the police can do that on a one-off basis. What we are saying in the legislation that we are potentially bringing forward is that, if that continues over a period of time, the police will have additional powers to look at putting in steps to protect the community. That is important, and we shall try to do that at some pace.

The noble Baroness mentioned individuals who might be seeking to radicalise others or cause others to take action of a criminal nature. There is a threshold to that in legislation, currently, and if that threshold is crossed, individuals can be taken to court for those offences.

As a side issue to that, the Government are establishing further an antisemitism working group to provide advice to the Government on antisemitism generally. We are working closely with the government adviser on antisemitism to look at the most effective methods to tackle antisemitism, and we want to ensure that we continue to challenge extremism and, if people go over that criminal threshold, they are brought to account.

That may not satisfy the noble Baroness today, but I hope that she will recognise that the prime objective of this Government is to ensure that people can live their lives in peace, free from intimidation, harassment and religious persecution. That is for any faith, but particularly in this circumstance today for those of the Jewish faith.