Coram’s Charter for Children

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Tuesday 16th January 2024

(10 months, 1 week ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I do not fully recognise the figures that the noble Baroness refers to. As she knows, we have been adjusting school funding to try to move towards a national funding formula. We have also invested increasingly in the pupil premium to support precisely the children whom she and the Government are most concerned about.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, looking at the other end of childhood—teenagers—will the Government do something better about youth clubs, which might have some effect on gangs?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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There are multiple things that will have effects on gangs, but clearly the engagement of young people is very important, as the noble and learned Baroness suggests. That is why we made the national youth guarantee commitments in 2022.

Children’s Care Homes: Reform

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Monday 20th November 2023

(1 year ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I do not agree with that. While I agree that children in care homes potentially have more severe mental health issues, I think that, typically, children who go into a care home have also experienced severe neglect and abuse, and have more complex needs than those who are fostered.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, what efforts are the Government making to support a lot more foster carers?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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The Government are making a great deal of effort in this area. We are investing over £27 million, in this spending review period, in a foster care recruitment and retention programme. That will start in the north-east, with £3 million for a pathfinder hub; the additional £24 million will be for a wider rollout.

Children in Care: Gone Too Far Report

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Tuesday 23rd May 2023

(1 year, 6 months ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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As I said in my initial response, it is the responsibility of local authorities to provide sufficiency within their boundaries. Of course there are exceptional cases, and I have touched, for example, on children who are gang-involved and need to be moved further from home for their safety, but the kind of co-ordination the noble Lord talked about is exactly what we want in practice.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, as we have heard, because these children are disturbed and many of them have suffered trauma, which is why they have been taken into care, there seems to be some urgency in this matter. They should be put, where possible, reasonably close to home. Can this not be speeded up?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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We are going as fast as possible in this. Obviously, our foster caring strategy has had a very significant investment, and there is the additional £9 million we are putting into kinship care. The latter is building on some very successful pilots, so we want to speed up the things that work but make sure that we understand that they work first of all.

Special Educational Needs: Employment Support

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Monday 24th April 2023

(1 year, 7 months ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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Everybody who meets with a work coach should expect to get quality time, and my understanding is that the vast majority of individuals do. Of course, this is important for young people with SEND. DWP has a huge amount of experience in dealing with long-term health conditions and disabilities. Secondly, part of the work we are doing together with the DWP is to understand and knit together where education meets employment, to make sure that we get the best outcomes for young people.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, my granddaughter, aged six, was identified with quite severe dyslexia. She went to the Eleanor Palmer School, where the headmistress said that no one in the school knew how to deal with it, so she sent two of the staff to be trained. My granddaughter did brilliantly at primary school and ended up at Edinburgh University with a good degree. So support really needs to start at primary school to ensure success in education.

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I can reassure the noble and learned Baroness that it does start at primary school. The work we are doing to help teachers identify dyslexia early on—in particular, the early phonics screening test—allows us to do just that. Through our English hubs, we are helping primary schools and their teachers to support children like the noble and learned Baroness’s granddaughter.

Children in Care

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Wednesday 12th October 2022

(2 years, 1 month ago)

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Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, I am a patron of a secure unit down in Exeter. One of its main concerns is a lack of funding to get sufficient staff and sufficient training. What will the strategy do about that?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I cannot anticipate exactly what the strategy with do, as the noble and learned Baroness is aware. The cost of a child or young person being in a secure unit is extremely high, and we will be looking at the detail of how we can make sure that recruitment needs are addressed.

Family-strengthening Policies

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Monday 10th October 2022

(2 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not aware of any recent research, but the noble Baroness is obviously aware that we offer universal free school meals. There are 1.25 universal infant free school meals—sorry, 1.25 million; that was close, it was nearly policy at the Dispatch Box—so 1.25 million children in infant schools receive those meals.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, does the Minister agree that there is a particular group of young mothers with very young children who are quite unable to understand how to bring them up, and what can the Government do to help that group?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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One of the biggest lines in the budget for family hubs—£50 million of the £300 million in that package—is for parenting programmes specifically, and an even bigger line, about £100 million, is for infant and parental mental health. Both those things address the group which the noble Baroness refers to.

Schools: Citizenship Education

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Wednesday 29th June 2022

(2 years, 4 months ago)

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The understanding is that citizenship education is an important part of schools’ accountability for their pupils’ spiritual, moral, social and cultural education. I do not think there is a suggestion that it is equivalent to personal development, but it is a critical part of personal development.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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Slavery has become one of the really important issues which is discussed generally. I am hoping that the Government might encourage schools to cover slavery. If they do, would they please include modern slavery, which is rife, and not just the slavery of the past?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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The noble and learned Baroness makes a really important point. I think she will also recognise that schools will have different ways of teaching their pupils and getting them to understand important issues such as slavery and, sadly, modern slavery.

Social Care: Children

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Wednesday 22nd June 2022

(2 years, 5 months ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I am very concerned if the perception is as the noble Lord describes. I encourage those involved with particular expertise in that area to contribute to the consultation on the Green Paper, which is open until 22 July. Our ambition is clear: that we address the problems in the system comprehensively.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, I wonder if the Minister has taken on board—I am sure she has—a recommendation from the report that more senior social workers should carry on having case loads. My experience as a family judge was that senior social workers were completely divorced from the sorts of cases that were actually coming before the courts. I would be grateful to know if the Government will take that forward.

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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The Government are considering all 80 recommendations in the report, of which this is an important one. We have identified the five priority recommendations, but the implementation board will report back on all our actions by the end of the year.

Independent Review of Children’s Social Care

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Tuesday 24th May 2022

(2 years, 6 months ago)

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In relation to the noble Baroness’s first point, I can only say that all those issues, including whether the definition should be covered in legislation, will be in our implementation report. In relation to the single unique identifier, we have committed to coming to a decision on the best way forward by next summer.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, may I say how much I am comforted by the response of the Government to the excellent report and hope that all that the Minister is saying in good faith will actually take effect? As a family judge over very many years, and as the writer of the Cleveland report, there are two points I would like to raise with her. The first relates to children. My experience is of many children asked to see me. From the age of about six upwards, those children gave me extremely valuable advice as to what should happen to them. I do not think that social workers listen enough to what the children have to say. You cannot necessarily do what the child wants, but at least the child has a right to be heard, however young, if they are sensible enough to give a good example.

The other thing, which I found extremely sad when listening to the evidence of social workers, was that the social worker on the ground knew the family very well, but she or he did not make the decision; the decision was made higher up the ladder by a social worker who no longer had any individual cases to look at. I cannot imagine why they do not still keep a caseload to keep their hand in. They make decisions totally contrary to what the girl on the ground who knows the situation is saying. Can the Minister do anything by way of guidance to deal with that issue?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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The noble and learned Baroness makes very important points, first in terms of a child’s right to be listened to and have their views respected. On the point about caseload, one of the 80 recommendations in the report is that, just as in the medical profession senior doctors will keep a caseload, so in social work senior social workers should keep a caseload and there will be teams with senior and less experienced social workers working together on cases.

Music Education in State Schools

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Wednesday 2nd March 2022

(2 years, 8 months ago)

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I remind the noble Viscount, as I am sure he knows, that music is compulsory in all maintained schools from the ages of five to 14. After the age of 14, all pupils in maintained schools must be offered the opportunity to study at least one subject in the arts.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, my grand- daughter went to a splendid primary school, Eleanor Palmer, in Camden, where every child aged nine had to learn a musical instrument—whatever it might be; the recorder or anything else—for a year. Does the Minister think that is something that could be pushed in primary schools?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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We believe that the network of music hubs we have set up gives children choice, including specialist individual music tuition in an individual subject, and for other children perhaps group singing or other activities.

Data Protection Act 2018: Children

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Thursday 4th March 2021

(3 years, 8 months ago)

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Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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My noble friend makes a fair point about the complexity in this area, but the ICO has been very clear that it will investigate companies that do not comply with the GDPR concerns reported to it—and that it will accept referrals and complaints from civil society organisations, which can play an important role.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, as a family judge, I regularly talked to children, some of them very young, about what they wanted to happen to them at the end of the proceedings. May I urge the Minister really and seriously to listen to children—because they very often have something extremely valuable to say?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran (Con)
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I entirely concur with the noble and learned Baroness.

Football Association and Bet365

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Barran
Thursday 9th January 2020

(4 years, 10 months ago)

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The Government are going to try to tackle that. There is wide acknowledgement that the gambling regulations were set up for an analogue age. We are now in a digital age and the goalposts—not to make too awful a pun—have moved substantially. Perhaps I can in some small part reassure the House in that the FA will be broadcasting those games that are currently available only through betting sites in 2021 on its own site. I know that does not address the noble Baroness’s point, but it will happen and will mean that young people will not need to go to a betting site to view those games.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, how quickly is this review going to take place?

Baroness Barran Portrait Baroness Barran
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I apologise, but I cannot give a definite date—but there is a clear sense of urgency.