Debates between Andrew Rosindell and Mark Pritchard during the 2010-2015 Parliament

Wild Animals (Circuses)

Debate between Andrew Rosindell and Mark Pritchard
Thursday 23rd June 2011

(13 years, 5 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell (Romford) (Con)
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Animal welfare matters to the British people, but we in the House have a duty and responsibility to make decisions on issues relating to animal welfare based on facts, knowledge and science. If we make decisions based purely on opinion polls and emotions, we shall get ourselves into great difficulty. I heard nothing in the speech of the hon. Member for The Wrekin (Mark Pritchard) about the actual welfare of animals.

Mark Pritchard Portrait Mark Pritchard
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Caroline Lucas Portrait Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green)
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

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Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell
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May I make some progress before I give way?

Instead of basing my views purely on what the newspapers or the opinion polls say, I looked into the matter. The truth is that in this country only a small number of animals are in circuses: 39 in total. They are not captured from the jungle and dragged to the circus; many have been born and bred in circuses for generations. [Interruption.] Their entire rhythm of life is based—

Mark Pritchard Portrait Mark Pritchard
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell
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Not at the moment.

For those animals, their entire rhythm of life is based on what they have known since they were born. On the face of it—

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Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell
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Non-domesticated—they are wild animals, but when lions and tigers are 10th generation born in that environment, we are no longer talking about a lion taken out of its natural environment and dragged into the circus. I am afraid to say that the issue is often used by organisations for fundraising. Charities and animal rights groups raise money, and the issue is raised to attract political support and donations, by whipping up emotions instead of treating the facts as they are.

Mark Pritchard Portrait Mark Pritchard
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Will my hon. Friend give way?

Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell
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No, I will not.

We have the Animal Welfare Act 2006—a brilliant piece of legislation from the last Government, which we supported—and it can be used when cruelty occurs, but I appeal to the House: do not go with the crowd, look at the facts, do not wrench those creatures away from the life that they are used to and have grown up in. If you do that, you will be more cruel than leaving them where they are, with the people and in the environment that they are used to.