House of Lords Reform and Size of the House of Commons Debate

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House of Lords Reform and Size of the House of Commons

Albert Owen Excerpts
Wednesday 19th October 2016

(8 years ago)

Commons Chamber
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Pete Wishart Portrait Pete Wishart
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They should be thoroughly embarrassed about their membership there because it is the only thing that sustains them as a political force.

Albert Owen Portrait Albert Owen (Ynys Môn) (Lab)
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I will vote with the hon. Gentleman tonight and I think it is a good motion, but I am not certain where this will lead. He talks about a reduction in numbers. Would not the best course be to abolish the other place? I had the privilege in a previous Parliament of proposing that, so that we start from zero. Will the hon. Gentleman outline a plan to replace the House of Lords?

Pete Wishart Portrait Pete Wishart
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I shall suggest certain things that we could consider to replace it. The House of Lords is unreformable and there is nothing we could do with it. It has got out of control. It is like a huge undemocratic leviathan cloaked in ermine that would continue to feed on patronage and cronyism. It has very few redeemable features.