Debates between Matt Warman and Daniel Zeichner during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Internet of Things: Regulation

Debate between Matt Warman and Daniel Zeichner
Thursday 3rd October 2019

(4 years, 6 months ago)

Westminster Hall
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Matt Warman Portrait Matt Warman
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That is a philosophically interesting question but it is also obvious that at the moment data is readily given up in exchange for a service. I am not sure whether the right hon. Gentleman would therefore seek to put a value on the service and say, “That service, whether offered by Facebook or whoever, should not be worth less than a certain amount.” That seems to be the logical conclusion of his argument, which is why I say it is perhaps more an interesting philosophical question than a practical one.

Daniel Zeichner Portrait Daniel Zeichner
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Will the Minister give way?

Matt Warman Portrait Matt Warman
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I am conscious of the time, but this is all very interesting, so I am happy to give way.

Daniel Zeichner Portrait Daniel Zeichner
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It is more than interesting. It is critical. Is the Minister assured that people are involved in a free exchange, and that there is transparency—that they understand the terms and conditions of all the things that capture data on their devices? I am certainly not. I think most people who look at it are convinced that people do not know, so they are not getting the economic benefit of that behavioural data.

Matt Warman Portrait Matt Warman
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Essentially I agree with the hon. Gentleman that it is obvious that not everyone reads the terms and conditions of every single thing they have signed up to for any website; but it seems to me that Government’s role in this space is not to stop people making those decisions. It is to make sure that people have a better understanding of the decisions they make, and that they trust the companies that are doing whatever it may be with their data. That obviously requires us to put certain constraints on the behaviour of companies, as we do in every other circumstance. However—and I do not think the hon. Gentleman is suggesting this—it should surely not be for us to say that people should not be allowed to make certain decisions. I think that on the Government side of the House we would be keen to free people up to make whatever decisions they reasonably want to make.