Medical Act 1983 (Amendment) (Knowledge of English) Order 2014

Debate between Lord Turnberg and Lord Walton of Detchant

Tuesday 11th March 2014 Grand Committee

[Lord Walton of Detchant (CB)]

My Lords, I cannot say how welcome this order is. Forty-three years ago I was elected dean of the medical school of the University of Newcastle. By virtue of that election, I was immediately appointed to the General Medical Council. I became a member of its education committee and three years later I became the chairman of that committee. By virtue of being chairman of the education committee of the GMC, I was then appointed, under the new arrangements for the European Union, to the Advisory Committee on Medical Training, which met twice a year in Brussels and was required to make recommendations on basic medical education, specialist medical education and the mutual recognition of qualifications.

That was an interesting experience. Under the treaty of Rome, the first directive derived from that treaty said—I am not quoting exactly but the meaning is clear—that in the movement of doctors across the European Union there should be mutual recognition of qualifications and registration should be granted, but that it should be up to the host country to see to it that the incoming doctor had such ability to communicate with patients to make him or her safe to practise. That seemed to give us at the GMC full authority to embark upon establishing a language test.

At that time, for historical reasons, some doctors from outside the European Union—from Commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, the West Indies and many others—had enabled the General Medical Council to inspect their examinations and qualifications so they were automatically granted full registration under the Medical Act. But doctors from many other countries who had not had that ability to have inspections were required to apply for temporary registration if they wished to come to the UK, and they had to take a test set by the Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board, which established tests of not only clinical and academic competence but language capability. That was the so-called PLAB test.

It is important to make the point that the rights of doctors graduating in any other member country of the European Union applied only to those who had graduated in those countries but who were also nationals of EU member states. For instance, if a doctor from a country outside the European Union graduated from, say, Heidelberg, they were not entitled under that treaty to come to the UK and had to go through the same procedure as a doctor from India, Pakistan or other parts of the world.

Indeed, there was one such doctor, an Iranian, who qualified in medicine in Heidelberg. He applied for registration with the General Medical Council and was turned down. He took the GMC to a judicial review. Of course, he lost because he did not qualify. The result of this was that I was interviewed by Special Branch because he had made serious threats against my person, including threats of violence. However, we will leave that alone for a moment.

The point I wish to make is that it is so important that we have this language test. We at the GMC, having read what the directive said, tried to impose a language test on incoming doctors from the European Union, but we were threatened with being taken to the European Court because we were told very clearly by our lawyers and by the lawyers from Europe that this was contrary to the treaty of Rome. We tried again 10 years later when I became president of the General Medical Council, again with a total lack of success. All we were able to do then was to persuade the employing authorities in the UK, through the Department of Health, that they could impose a language test as a condition of employment. Regrettably, that agreement with the Department of Health was never properly or widely fulfilled across the UK, so a language test as a condition of employment for European doctors was not widely employed. Our attempts at that time were lost.

The great thing about this order is, first, that it makes it clear that the GMC can properly design and employ a test of the language ability of an incoming doctor from the EC as a condition of registration. Secondly, the responsible officer can make certain that any doctor coming up for revalidation speaks English adequately. Finally, when any doctor who is already a specialist from the EC or is working either in general practice or in a specialist grade and is brought before the GMC on the question of fitness to practise, the fitness-to-practise procedures can take note of the doctor’s ability to speak English. These are extremely welcome developments. Perhaps I am wrong about the condition of registration but the GMC, I think, is hoping that that is the effect of this order. Perhaps the Minister can clarify it for us. The whole process set out in this paper is extremely welcome and long awaited.

[Lord Turnberg (Lab)]

My Lords, it is always a challenge to follow the erudition of my noble friend Lord Walton, who certainly has no difficulty with the English language. I am sorry to add to the noble Earl’s load of potential medical speakers this afternoon but it is a pleasure to welcome this initiative which at long last gives the GMC the powers to ensure that doctors coming to work in the UK can speak and understand English. It has been long awaited and although it has always been part of the assessment of non-EU doctors it will now be a requirement for EU doctors too. After all that, it might sound a little churlish to say that there remain some things to be done about long-running issues that are not addressed in this statutory instrument. I hope the noble Earl will forgive me for mentioning them here.

I go back a little while, not quite as long as my noble friend Lord Walton, to when I was chairman of the Specialist Training Authority and the EU directives were being produced in the 1990s. Since those directives governing the free flow of workers across the EU came in, doctors trained in other member states can come to practise in the UK quite freely. However, we recognised from the very beginning that we know relatively little about the training of specialists in other EU countries. We have no knowledge of the curriculum they go through or the skills and knowledge of, for example, cardiologists, neurosurgeons and paediatricians from a selection of EU counties such as France, Italy, Spain and Germany. They may be perfectly fine, of course, and they probably are, but apart from knowing that they have spent a certain minimum number of years in training, we are not allowed in the UK to assess any of their knowledge or skills before they are put on the register of specialists. That is not the case for specialists coming from, say, America, Australia, New Zealand or any other non-EU country; they have to have their training and skills properly assessed and they may be required to take more.

Questions about the safety of our patients as far as EU doctors are concerned have been raised in this House in the past, but I have little confidence that we will be able to change the arrangements now when we would, it seems, have to convince the other EU member countries of this problem. Will the noble Earl seek advice from the GMC on how it intends to check on the safe practice of specialists from other EU countries? It is possible that its system of responsible officers may help. However, the GMC can act only after a doctor is already on the specialist register. There is a question of whether there is sufficient capacity in the responsible officer network. It would helpful if this issue could be aired a little further. I hope that the noble Earl will be able to find out from the GMC how far it can go on this.

Care Bill [HL]

Debate between Lord Turnberg and Lord Walton of Detchant

Wednesday 12th June 2013 Lords Chamber

[Lord Turnberg]

My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend in Amendments 58B, 58C and 59. This clause is about taking note of the regulation and the regulation of research activities, but not of people who are engaged in research. It is important to involve those who regulate the professions—the General Medical Council, the General Dental Council, the Nursing and Midwifery Council—as well as the nurses. I agree entirely with the statement that the nurses should be included. In saying this I should also mention the pharmacists, who play an important part in research. I have been approached by those involved in pharmacy regulation to indicate that they also have an interest here.

I wish to speak particularly to Amendment 60, which is in my name, and to Amendments 61 and 62. On Amendment 60, I emphasise the important part played by the local R&D committees of NHS trusts, which the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, mentioned. We now have the Health Research Authority, which is doing a really remarkable job in speeding up the process for approval of research by bringing together the different research ethics committees and the special ethical approval for research, using data where patients are no longer able to give consent. It has developed a single portal of entry and a single application, which is having an enormously helpful effect, but there remains one major hurdle in the way of those trying to carry out multicentre clinical trials: the local R&D committees of NHS trusts. Some are good and speedy while others are slow and capricious, and the whole clinical trial is determined by the slowest and most capricious of those who have to give approval.

When the Academy of Medical Sciences reviewed research regulation, it identified the local R&D committees as the most difficult and time-consuming concerned, with delays of almost a year in too many instances, so in Amendment 60 we are trying to give the HRA the responsibility of rationalising and improving the approval processes in R&D committees. If it can get the approval of all trust R&D committees to rely on and accept a single robust assessment, covering all their various concerns, it will not only relieve them of that burden but give them the confidence that the review has been properly performed. It will also speed up the process for researchers. I hope that we can include this message in the Bill at a time when I know that the HRA itself is working hard to achieve it. The amendment is simply intended to offer it the support that it needs for its efforts.

Amendment 61, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Willis, who unfortunately still cannot be with us, gets at the problem of ensuring that all providers of services for the NHS, including the private sector, should have the same responsibilities for research and innovation as the rest of the NHS. The HRA should have a role in ensuring that they do. It is important that their staff have opportunities to engage in research; certainly, they should be encouraged to introduce innovation into their practice.

Amendment 62 is also in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Willis. We welcome the explicit mention of the responsibilities of NHS trusts in the Bill. However, there is further need to ensure that trusts not only have regard to guidance issued by the HRA but actively comply with such guidance. I would welcome further clarification of how the requirement to have regard to such guidance will be ensured and how trusts’ compliance with such guidance might be strengthened.

[Lord Walton of Detchant]

My Lords, I was uncertain whether to speak on these amendments in the presence of two past presidents of medical royal colleges, the noble Lords, Lord Turnberg and Lord Patel. I feel unable to support Amendment 58B because the medical royal colleges are not regulatory bodies. They are essentially educational bodies. They play a role in producing and monitoring the standards of qualifying examinations for those seeking to be specialists, but they are essentially educational and do not have a regulatory role, although, of course, they play an important part in advising on a whole range of health service issues.

However, I believe it is right that Amendment 58C should be inserted, because the bodies mentioned are regulatory authorities. The General Medical Council, for instance, can play a crucial and important role in disciplining doctors who have been found guilty of fraud and misconduct in medical research. This is very relevant to the qualities and responsibilities of the HRA, and for that reason I believe it right for this amendment to be included in the Bill.