House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Debate between Lord Snape and Lord TrefgarneFriday 7th September 2018
(6 years, 3 months ago)
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Lord Trefgarne
My Lords, to refer to the point made in my noble friend Lord Northbrook’s amendment, the question of the Scottish Peers was of course addressed when what became the 1999 Act went through your Lordships’ House. As I recall, although it is now a long time ago, the Scottish Peers petitioned the House for exclusion from the provisions of the 1999 Act. They were represented by none other than the then Mr Richard Keen—now none other than my noble and learned friend Lord Keen of Elie himself. His petition did not succeed.
Lord Snape
Will the noble Lord answer the point I put to him and tell us the thinking behind his own amendment—otherwise we might think that he has tabled it somewhat mischievously?
Lord Trefgarne
My Lords, I have nothing to add to the remarks I made earlier.
House of Lords Act 1999 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Debate between Lord Snape and Lord TrefgarneFriday 9th December 2016
(8 years ago)
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Lord Snape (Lab)
The noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, is being a bit negative about proceedings this morning. After all, if we look at the result of the two Divisions, we can see that the persuasive powers of the noble Lord, Lord Trefgarne, are enormous—he has doubled the number of noble Lords in his Lobby. If we go on like this with a few amendments, he could well carry the day. Then of course his colleague, the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, who has 500 years of heritage and favours to repay, also deserves another crack at it. I am not sure about the noble Lord, Lord Trefgarne, because his father was of course a Labour Peer. Maybe it is our fault that he is here. I do not want to class him as an arriviste—
Lord Snape
I will come to the noble Lord in a moment, if I may. I do not want to sound offensive at all or to call him an arriviste, but compared to his noble friend the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, it is difficult to find any other description for him. Comparatively speaking, he has been here only five minutes, yet he is anxious to destroy my noble friend’s innocuous piece of legislation. I shall give way to him now.
Lord Trefgarne
Just to correct the noble Lord, my late noble father was actually a member of the Liberal Party.