BBC Funding

Debate between Lord Inglewood and Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

Tuesday 12th December 2023 Lords Chamber

[Lord Inglewood (Non-Afl)]

The Minister has explained that at the centre of the financial arrangements which he has described is the concept of fairness. If we consider fairness in respect of licence fee payers and in respect of the BBC, we are really talking about apples and pears. Could the Minister explain how the Government balance fairness to the licence fee payer with fairness to the BBC? It seems that there may be a bit of a risk that we end up with a solution that is rather fairer to one side than the other.

[Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Con)]

That thorny question is one for the future funding review, but it is important. We want to ensure that the BBC has a sustainable income, but also that the sources of that are fair. I have pointed already to the declining number of people who are paying for a licence fee and the declining number who watch television live. Funding models which are predicated on some of those conceptions of the past will look increasingly anachronistic as we move into the BBC’s next century. We have also seen licence fee evasion rising, so it is right that we look at this to make sure that we are coming up with a good answer to the difficult question that the noble Lord poses.

Treasure (Designation) (Amendment) Order 2023

Debate between Lord Inglewood and Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

Tuesday 28th March 2023 Grand Committee

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Culture, Media and Sport (Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay) (Con)]

My Lords, I am very pleased to move this order, which was laid before your Lordships’ House in draft on 20 February. The revised code of practice was laid before your Lordships’ House in draft on 23 February.

The order designates an additional class of treasure, based on the outstanding historical, archaeological or cultural significance of a find that would not otherwise fall under the Act. The order further exempts from treasure legislation finds that also fall under the Church of England’s legal processes for dealing with moveable objects. The revised code contains clear information about the treasure process, clarifies the time limits for each part of the process, and provides guidance on the new definition and exemption.

During 2019, DCMS carried out an extensive consultation on the Treasure Act. The 32 questions covered issues ranging from practical administrative procedures to views on the future of treasure. Over 1,400 responses were received from a variety of individuals and organisations. These included detectorists, who make up 95% of treasure finders, commercial and community archaeologists, landowners, and cultural and archaeological organisations. The many thoughtful and considered responses have been fundamental to our work on these proposed changes, and we are very grateful to everyone who took part.

In addition to the consultation responses, we drew on the expertise of the treasure registry at the British Museum—which administers the process on behalf of DCMS—Amgueddfa Cymru and National Museums NI, and officials in Wales and Northern Ireland. We also commissioned full and detailed research from Heyworth Heritage on the options and impacts of extending the definition of treasure. We aim to simplify the treasure process and to strengthen its capacity to preserve important and significant finds for public access. To explain how the order and the revised code will do this, it may be helpful if I outline the background to the Treasure Act.

The Treasure Act 1996 replaced the common law of treasure trove in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. I am very pleased to see the noble Lord, Lord Inglewood, in his place, for he played a key role in bringing the Act on to the statute book. The Act essentially retained the definition of treasure as being composed of gold or silver, with the addition of an age limit of 300 years or older. The Act removed the common law condition that a treasure find had to have been hidden with an evident intention by the owner to return to recover it. The removal of this condition brought under the treasure process objects associated with Christian burials, meaning that such finds would be subject to the new Treasure Act and the Church of England’s legal processes. In 2002, an order was made extending the definition of treasure to include hoards of prehistoric base-metal objects and individual prehistoric objects with very low precious metal content. This draft order will amend that order.

Under the Act, a finder has 14 days to report a treasure find to a coroner, who will decide whether the find meets the definition of treasure. Treasure belongs to the Crown. Treasure finds are offered to museums which, if they wish to acquire them, will fund a discretionary reward for the finder and landowner. The amount and division of the reward is decided by the Secretary of State, advised by the experts of the Treasure Valuation Committee. This process is expertly delivered by our partners at the British Museum, Amgueddfa Cymru and National Museums NI.

In England and Wales, the Portable Antiquities Scheme, the voluntary recording scheme for archaeological finds made by the public, is managed by the British Museum and Amgueddfa Cymru in partnership. The scheme plays a key role in facilitating the reporting of treasure cases and their acquisition by museums. Aside from being the gateway to the treasure process, its role in ensuring that over 1.5 million archaeological finds made by the public have been recorded has added significantly to our archaeological knowledge. It has provided the data for nearly 800 research projects, including 161 doctoral theses. We have provided additional funding to support the scheme, including for a new Portable Antiquities Scheme database. This will include a treasure tracking system, which will noticeably improve the efficiency of the treasure process.

National Museums NI plays an equally important role, administering not only the treasure process but the reporting of archaeological objects, which is mandatory in Northern Ireland. It was part of the group which redrafted the code, along with its colleagues and officials from England and Wales—a demonstration of this partnership in action.

The Act has undoubtedly been successful at preserving finds for public access. Over 17,500 finds have been reported, 95% by metal detectorists, and of these 6,000 have been acquired by 200 museums across England, Wales and Northern Ireland. These 6,000 finds include the Shropshire bulla, the extraordinary golden pendant found in 2018, which was a star exhibit in the recent Stonehenge exhibition at the British Museum—it dazzled that Shropshire lad, my noble friend Lord Harlech, who has admired it online—and the Corrard torc, an equally singular piece of Bronze Age jewellery, now at Enniskillen Castle Museums.

Although I am not allowed to pick favourites, as a Northumbrian I have been particularly pleased to have two encounters with the eighth-century cross pendant found in Berwick-upon-Tweed in 2019. It is marked with a runic inscription of a previously unknown Anglo-Saxon name, perhaps its owner or a loved one. I had the pleasure of seeing it at the launch of the annual treasure report at the British Museum and then back at home in Northumberland at Berwick Museum and Art Gallery. That cross reflects the dual purpose of the Act, which is to preserve finds for the public which give them a personal and often tangible connection to the people who made and used these objects, and to provide material for academics and researchers, leading to new insights into our shared history.

The Treasure Act gives museums the first option on acquiring important and significant finds. It is a fundamental part of the UK’s cultural protection legislation, but there have been several times when the Act has not been able to secure important finds. The Crosby Garrett helmet, a unique Roman ritual object found in Cumbria, did not meet the definition of treasure because it is made of base metal. It was sold to a private owner, despite the great efforts of museums, including the brilliant Tullie House Museum in Carlisle, which I visited earlier this year, to raise funds to purchase it at auction. I am pleased to say that York Museums Trust was more successful in its bid to buy the Roman Ryedale hoard, and we are very grateful to the public and private donors who helped to fund that process so that the hoard can be admired by the public. But apart from the uncertainty of the sales process, museums acquiring finds on the open market may find that they are subject to premia and other costs.

The export licence deferral process, for cultural objects recognised as national treasures, can keep treasure finds in the UK, as happened with the bronze birrus Britannicus figure, which I had the pleasure of seeing at a bustling Chelmsford Museum in half term. But we should not need to rely on this system, which is triggered only when an owner wishes to take or sell an important cultural object abroad, to protect important finds which are made of base metal. The designation of the new class of treasure is intended to address this situation.

Finds will fall under the new class if they have any metal element, are older than 200 years old and meet the very specific wording in the order. They will have to demonstrate an exceptional insight into an aspect of national or regional history, archaeology or culture by virtue of their rarity, location or connection with a person or event. Where the coroner agrees that the find, either individually or in combination with other objects in the same find, meets one or more of these conditions, it will be defined as treasure. This new class will include finds which, despite being made of silver or gold, are currently not defined as treasure. Potentially, this includes gold or silver finds which are between 200 and 300 years old and single gold coins, such as the extremely rare Henry III penny found in Devon in 2022. Currently, these do not fall under the Act. It is worth emphasising that finds such as these will be defined as treasure only where they meet the new significance definition.

This additional class of treasure is limited to metal finds. I am aware that the Government are being urged to widen the definition of treasure further to include non-metal finds. Consideration was given to including other materials, such as stone and ceramic, in this statutory instrument, but we decided that doing so would be premature for several reasons. First, there would be significant implications for the resources of the Portable Antiquities Scheme in England and Wales, where there is no mandatory reporting of archaeological objects. There would also be an impact on archaeological excavations and archives and, potentially, on the planning conditions for some building development. Our view is that all these are important issues that need to be fully considered and canvassed before the definition of treasure is extended to non-metal finds. We will be monitoring the effect of the new class of treasure on museums, the work of treasure administrators and coroners and their staff. This information will support further consideration of the definition of treasure, including the possibility of widening it to include other materials.

We are also aware of concerns that this class may lead to the treasure process being overwhelmed. The wording of the order has been drafted to limit the definition of “significance” to only the most archaeologically, culturally and historically outstanding finds and, as I previously mentioned, we have increased funding for the administration of the treasure process. The order before the Committee is designed to provide a mechanism to acquire exceptional finds when they are recognised, but it does not impose upon finders, curators or administrators the duty of considering, at length, the possible significance of every single find.

The order also exempts from the definition of treasure finds which currently fall under both the Treasure Act and the Church of England’s statutory controls for moveable objects. The exemption will remove the confusion of having two overlapping legislative regimes and satisfies the undertaking the Government made during the passage of the Act. We have worked with the Church of England and believe that exempt finds will have a sufficient level of protection under the Church’s statutory processes. Equally, finds relating to other faiths and to Anglican congregations in Wales and Northern Ireland retain the protection that they have under the Treasure Act.

In addition to the order, we are also considering the revised code of practice, which contains guidance for users of the treasure process as well as the fundamental principles by which the process operates. The code has been revised to bring it up to date and to make it easier to use and more comprehensible. It introduces a more efficient process, with defined deadlines to reduce uncertainty about the responsibilities of all the parties in the treasure process. The process is almost unique in its capability to balance the differing interests of finders, landowners, archaeologists and curators to enable magnificent finds, such as the recently discovered Tudor pendant, to be preserved for the public to enjoy. It is that public interest which is the overriding principle of the treasure process, and we believe that the new class of treasure, the exemption and the revised code support that fundamental principle. I commend these changes to the Committee and look forward to hearing noble Lords’ views on them. I beg to move.

[Lord Inglewood (Non-Afl)]

My Lords, I must begin by stating unequivocally that I am a supporter of the statutory instrument and the code of practice. I should bracket that with a reference to my interests as set out in the register. As the Minister said, the SI and the code of practice are the logical evolution of the earlier statutory instruments and codes of practice which are all based on the Treasure Act 1996, for which, as the Minister said, I had ministerial responsibility. Interestingly, that Act was the result of 25 years’ lobbying by the late Earl of Perth, about whom a close personal friend, who was a director of one the main London museums, said to me “The great point about the Earl of Perth is that he never gives up”.

The policy on which the Act was based was taken on by the subsequent Labour Administration in very much the same way as we envisaged when it was put on the statute book. It seems to me a very good example of how sensible, pragmatic public administration can be achieved if dogma is not allowed to intrude too far.

The other thing the Minister said is that this legislation has been a success in what it has brought about. That is not only to the credit of politicians; indeed, it may have happened despite politicians. It also reflects well on both the work done at the British Museum through the Portable Antiquities Scheme, then led by Roger Bland, and the finds liaison offices scattered across the country. Indeed, I dare say that, had we known what we know now then, in 1995-96, we might have done what we are seeing take place here this afternoon.

Channel 4: Consultation

Debate between Lord Inglewood and Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

Tuesday 16th November 2021 Lords Chamber

[Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Con)]

I thank the noble Lord for that important point. Channel 4 is uniquely constrained in its ability to meet the challenges facing the media landscape today; in comparison with other public service broadcasters, its access to capital is highly constrained. That is why we are looking at reform to protect Channel 4’s long-term future, so that it can continue to be a valued public service broadcaster, serving audiences with great public service content for years to come.

[Lord Inglewood (Non-Afl)]

Does the Minister agree that Channel 4 is not just any old media company but rather a sui generis British institution established by Act of Parliament—a hub at the centre of networks reaching out deep into broadcasting and the digital world, the creative industries, skills, minorities, the regions, entrepreneurialism and culture?

[Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Con)]

Yes, and Channel 4’s inherent characteristics are also its strengths: its ability to make distinctive content, its work with independent producers and, in turn, its ability to attract diverse audiences. However, those strengths are not at odds with private ownership. They are things that we think would be attractive to potential buyers, things that they would seek to nurture and strengthen. We do not think that there is a false choice between public service remit and privatisation. As the noble Lord, Lord Fowler, pointed out, it is possible to have both.