National Insurance Contributions (Secondary Class 1 Contributions) Bill

Lord Howard of Rising Excerpts

Committee stage
Wednesday 29th January 2025 Grand Committee

[Baroness Noakes (Con)]

I will briefly respond to that. I am asking for an impact assessment of the Bill. The Bill does not incorporate the whole Budget; it incorporates one policy decision, which is the focus of my amendment. It is clear that I am open to drafting suggestions. I have already spent some time with the noble Lord today in another committee on drafting improvements and I am sure that, between us, we could come up with some better words.

[Lord Howard of Rising (Con)]

My Lords, I support Amendment 33 in the name of my noble friend Lady Noakes and to which I have added my name. I declare my interest as an employer.

It is incredible to me that His Majesty’s Government should be seeking to impose an increase in national insurance for employers without taking a proper look at what the effect will be. The extra costs will be difficult to cope with for all businesses, but disproportionately so for small businesses. They lack the flexibility and the ability to manoeuvre that can exist in larger corporations. This will be especially true for smaller manufacturing businesses, which are being hammered by the Government from more than one direction.

The noble Lord, Lord Livermore, was good enough to say that it is reasonable to set out the rationale for the points we want to make. In my view, this is important, as the increase in national insurance comes on top of many other things that impede business. By itself, it might be bearable, in so far as any tax is bearable, but, on top of everything else—some of which I will mention—it is a significant problem, especially for those smaller companies that this amendment is about.

Before going into the detail of my arguments, I wish to endorse the comments made by noble Lords—most recently the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell—that exemptions that complicate tax structure are a bad thing in principle. However, as my noble friend Lady Noakes pointed out on the first group of amendments, there are cases where they are justified.

One reason why the proposed increase in national insurance will be particularly difficult for smaller manufacturing businesses, and why an impact assessment is needed, is electricity and gas costs in this country, which, roughly speaking, are double those of our competitors in Europe. This is caused by the lunatic rush to net zero which, among other things, has nearly destroyed the steel industry, which is now on its last legs.

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[Lord Howard of Rising (Con)]

As my noble friend says, you get a knighthood—possibly even a barony. If you get something wrong, throw more money at it until it becomes an embarrassment that can no longer be hidden and hushed up. HS2’s original budget was £37.5 billion. Only when the estimated cost has risen to £90 billion—and counting—is the project being reined in. The idea of spending £100 million on a bat shelter defies the imagination. I mean: who could have thought of that one?

As economists are being quoted, might I quote Professor Milton Friedman? He said:

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand”.


What the Government should do is what anybody in this Room, faced with the same problem in their own life—too much spending and not enough income—would do: cut spending to solve the problem. Given that that is unlikely to happen, will His Majesty’s Government carefully consider what they are doing and try to reduce some of the negative consequences of this increase in national insurance for employers? A sensible first step would be to prepare a proper impact assessment for those small companies, often described as the engine of the economy.

[Lord Sharkey (LD)]

My Lords, we have a lot of sympathy for the amendments in this group. My noble friend Lady Kramer has added her name to Amendment 22.

It is absolutely right that we should be concerned about the effects of the proposed NICs rise on small businesses. These businesses are at the heart of our economy. As the noble Lord, Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon, said several Prime Ministers ago:

“There are over 5.7 million Small to Medium Enterprises in the UK. They are the engine of growth in our economy, driving innovation and greater productivity, finding solutions and creating jobs”.


In fact, our SMEs provide 16.6 million jobs—60% of the total number in the United Kingdom. Their total turnover is estimated at £2.8 trillion. They are in many ways more important than much larger businesses—certainly when it comes to providing jobs—but they are probably more vulnerable than large businesses to these NIC changes, with less ability to absorb increased costs. The SME landscape is very varied, but it seems vital for us to be able to assess the likely effects of the proposals before us on different sizes of SMEs.

That is why I note in particular Amendment 33, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes. As she explained, this amendment proposes an impact assessment of the provisions in Clause 2 on employers with an annual turnover of less than £1 million, less than £5 million and less than £10 million before the changes in the clause can be brought about; these are probably the sizes of business that are most likely to have difficulty dealing with the additional costs imposed by this Bill. It would have been good to have had such an impact assessment before these debates, but Amendment 33 would go some way to putting that right, as the noble Lord, Lord Londesborough, remarked—pace the charge of underspecification from the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell. Perhaps the Minister could provide us with more granular estimates of the effects of Clause 2 on the smaller SMEs even if he cannot, or will not, provide us with the traditional, full and necessary impact assessment.

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There is another impact. Thinking back to meeting that payroll at the end of the month, I say that it is not just the national insurance but also that the payroll has gone up because of the national minimum wage. Where will that money come from in a market that is dead and where growth has ground to a halt? We hear about the £20 billion black hole and all the mistakes the previous Government made, but we are where we are now. I find it difficult to understand how small businesses can cope with that, on top of more coming down the line—

[Lord Howard of Rising (Con)]

Given what my noble friend has said, would he agree with what I said earlier: that, actually, the money does not come back into the economy and that, when it is taken out, those companies that have been hit so hard end up going abroad? It becomes so much cheaper and easier to manufacture abroad that, looking at it from a wider perspective, it is completely negative.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

I completely agree with my noble friend. Actually, it is worse than manufacturing going abroad. Just think of this: where are the sorts of areas of business, in terms of distribution or marketing, where people are employed who are not particularly well paid but on whom there will be a big impact from this national insurance cost on the employers? They are in places like call centres. Suddenly you find that you get a huge additional bill for running your call centre, which you may be required to do as a matter of government regulation or for all kinds of reasons—it may not be directly related to your product. So what will you do? You will outsource it to India or some other country. The jobs will go, because it will be much cheaper. The quality may not be the same, but it might be the difference between surviving and not. So, as the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, pointed out, this national insurance thing has to be seen in the round. Then add all the other things that are going up: the energy costs, which are going up—

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[Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville (LD)]

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 7 and 66 in my name. I apologise for not being able to speak at Second Reading. Much in my general points will have been said by many others previously.

Farmers provide a vital role in the country. They grow crops, keep stock, protect land and have engaged with the change from BPS to ELMS, with many farmers seeing biodiversity on their farms increase as a result. Farming is not a career choice for the faint-hearted. The early, dark and cold mornings, the late nights at harvest time and a seven-day week, often for 52 weeks of the year, take their toll. But farmers are essential to food supply.

Amendment 7 is intended for farmers who, on a small farm with a low income, still have to pay national insurance, as would any other low-wage employers. The vast majority of farm businesses are small, with a farmer and a small number of family members. These family members are either paid employees on PAYE or partners in the family business, which pulls them into self-employment and payment of NI through that route.

Class 2 contributions are at a flat rate and used to be charged on self-employed people. From April 2024, self-employed people no longer have to pay them. The self-employed farmer therefore does not have to pay class 2 contributions, but has to pay class 4 contributions on their profits—if there are any.

The next group of farmers employs a small number of people—one or two workers—on PAYE with the usual NI implications. Some farmers with a small number of workers employ the workers as contractors, who work on multiple farms during the season or week. I ask the Minister whether some farms might actually see a saving in NI contributions, as the threshold for small businesses was increased. Would this help the sole or family farmer?

There is, of course, another group of large farms that employ significant numbers of people, many of which will be impacted by the NI increases: dairy farms; horticultural businesses; pig and poultry enterprises; and large arable and livestock farms. These larger farms are profitable and may be able either to absorb the additional cost of the NI rise or to pass it on. It is those farms in the middle range that are likely to struggle and may not survive in their current form.

I came here this afternoon from a meeting discussing the horticulture sector. We were informed that the rise in wage rates, coupled with the NI contributions rise, will cost members of Horticultural Trades Association £134 million. This was causing considerable concern around how the industry would cope. The Horticultural Trades Association has a considerable number of garden centres in its membership.

I shall now move on to Amendment 66. My very real concerns are for those in the food supply chain. In the meat industry, ignoring retail, the total additional cost is in the order of £160 million a year: £60 million is down to wage increases and £100 million to national insurance. In some supply chains, employment costs are huge. For example, in the beef industry, the cost of labour on a farm to produce cattle is not in itself huge but the labour costs in killing, processing and transporting the cattle and meat are significant. The national insurance change for employers and employees in the supply chain will put financial pressure on these businesses, which include meat processors, vegetable packers and dairy processors. The costs imposed on them will inevitably trickle down to the farm gate as the supply chain looks to recover the money from farmers.

The same can be said for retailers. Farmers will be squeezed. Retailers are not making money on basic foodstuffs; they make their money on cornflakes, cereals and similar products. There will be huge pressure on food prices and food supply chains. Some businesses—mainly the medium-sized operations—will go under. The larger ones will pass on the increase and survive. The smaller farmer, by adding value and providing niche products, may survive. The small business threshold is helpful. Such businesses often employ only one person; the national insurance goes down in this case.

The employment costs on most family farms are not the big cost. Apart from in the meat industry, where costs are in the supply chain, the other farming sections with large on-farm costs include dairy farms and those engaged in horticulture. In the latter case, workers who plant crops then pick them when they are ripe represent a significant cost. Not all crops can be harvested by machinery. There will always be a role for a real person to be involved in the horticultural side of produce—often a seasonal worker.

When making an alteration to the financial employment arrangements, which could have a significant impact on those employed, it is always prudent to review the impact of the policy change. It will not be acceptable to say at a later date, “Oh, we didn’t realise how this change would affect certain sections of society”. Amendment 66 asks for a review of the effect on farming, which includes those in the supply chain as well as those working on farms. The effect of the increase in national insurance is going to be considerable; a review will be essential to measuring the impact accurately. I realise that the Minister is not engaged in farming, but I hope that he will be able to make the case for these two amendments to his colleagues in the Treasury. I beg to move.

[Lord Howard of Rising (Con)]

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 36 in my name. I declare my interests as a farmer and an employer. I have already spoken about a lot of what is relevant to this amendment in an earlier stage, so I will spare your Lordships from any repetition.

Farming is a difficult business with unpredictable factors that do not appear in every business: weather; insect life; the ability of animals to damage themselves, and so on. Of course, the most difficult thing of all is the uncertainty of what they will receive for their product. Commodity prices vary greatly, not only from year to year but in the time between the planting and harvesting of a crop. The Government have already hit farmers with the 20% inheritance tax on agricultural land. To burden them now with an increase in national insurance contributions is brutal.