(1 week, 6 days ago)
Lords ChamberI had not intended to speak, but when I listen to the Minister linking over and again the problems in the Middle East with antisemitism, I am disappointed. They are two separate things. There is an incredible rise in antisemitism where Jews cannot go around in the street wearing a head covering or a Star of David—a Magen David. That is the problem. The Minister talks about confusion because of events in the Middle East, but it is not the same thing. Zionism can mean different things to different people. The Zionism I believe in is that there should be a homeland for the Jews. After the events of October 2023, there has to be a homeland for the Jews. That is my Zionism. It has nothing to do with treatment of Palestinians, because Palestinians have rights as well. The Minister constantly muddles up the two in his reply. Antisemitism in this country needs to be handled and I want to know what the Government are going to do about it.
Can I be very clear? I hope noble Lords were listening to what I said. I was not conflating the two. There has to be a clear separation. Let us not confuse the two. I have been a strong supporter of the State of Israel for many years and I was an active supporter of Poale Zion, so my views are clear. We are more effective in addressing antisemitism by calling it out for what the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, said it was. It has been around for 2,000 years and has nothing to do with the situation in the Middle East, but people are inciting hatred by using the Middle East. That is what I was trying to convey. I hope the noble Lord will understand that my position is very clear.
(10 months, 1 week ago)
Lords ChamberMy Lords, can the Minister elaborate on how we can support the people of Gaza? In all the comments about support, no one has spoken about the dissent by the people of Gaza against the regime of Hamas, which threatens, kills or kneecaps the people of Gaza if they dissent. What journalists exist in Gaza are threatened if they criticise Hamas in any way. What are we doing to support the people of Gaza against Hamas?
The answer is supporting the Palestinian Authority on their road back to reform to become much more legitimate. That is the pathway to a two-state solution. There is no role for Hamas in the future. It is a terrorist organisation that has committed heinous crimes. We should never forget those crimes. The noble Lord is absolutely right that it is repressive and resisting any form of scrutiny, but the Israeli Government have not allowed journalists into Gaza as well. We should be very clear: we want a road map to peace and a solution, but that will be achieved only if we can ensure that the Palestinian Authority can reform, be supported and be the legitimate voice of the Palestinian people. Palestine is not just the Gaza Strip; it is also the Occupied Territories. We need to ensure that all the people of Palestine, represented by the Palestinian Authority, can have the voice they deserve.