Energy: Winter Fuel Payment Debate

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Department: Department for Work and Pensions

Energy: Winter Fuel Payment

Lord Campbell-Savours Excerpts
Monday 19th December 2011

(13 years ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Freud Portrait Lord Freud
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My Lords, I am grateful to be told where my sympathies are but the reality is that about 500,000 people would be affected and the saving would be about £40 million a year. It would be expensive and difficult to do and, therefore, on its own, it would not be a good idea. That does not suggest where my sympathies are at all.

Lord Campbell-Savours Portrait Lord Campbell-Savours
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Would not this proposal actually penalise low-income group, basic-rate taxpayers?

Lord Freud Portrait Lord Freud
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I am sorry—I missed the point of that question. Will the noble Lord repeat it?

Lord Campbell-Savours Portrait Lord Campbell-Savours
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Would not the proposal penalise low-income group, basic-rate, elderly taxpayers?

Lord Freud Portrait Lord Freud
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No, I do not think so. This is just a universal benefit that is paid on a simple basis to households that need it. Older people above 80 receive rather more than those below that age.