Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Lord Barker of Battle and Jim Shannon

Thursday 16th January 2014 Commons Chamber

[Gregory Barker]

The Labour Government had 13 years in which to legislate and sort out the problem but did nothing. We have legislated to put everybody on to the cheapest tariff for their needs. This winter, more than 2 million households, including over a million of the poorest pensioners, will automatically receive the warm home discount of up to £135.

[Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP)]

The boiler replacement scheme for Northern Ireland cost £12 million over the three years; it has been an outstanding success and achieved the high energy efficiency targets that were set. Will the Minister have discussions with the responsible Minister in Northern Ireland with a view to reintroducing a similar boiler scheme here on the mainland UK?

[Gregory Barker]

We already have live and up and running a cashback scheme to help people with boiler replacements. We think this is an important market and we are looking at it as part of our stamp duty rebate bonus to help drive the green deal and see what more can be done in the boiler market. I am going to Northern Ireland next month; if there is an opportunity to discuss this issue, I will certainly take it.

Prepayment Meters

Debate between Lord Barker of Battle and Jim Shannon

Tuesday 11th June 2013 Westminster Hall

[Gregory Barker]

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that it does not seem right, but I am not aware that it is the norm; it is the exception and if he is aware of such cases, I encourage him to take them up. I want to know more about the individual circumstances of the household and how the debt built up to such a level. We cannot have a situation where we ignore moral hazard and certain households do not feel an obligation to repay debt, because that penalises and is unfair to those on low incomes who struggle to pay their electricity and heating bills on time. We simply cannot give away heating when their next-door neighbours are struggling hard to do the right thing and pay the bills. There is a balance of fairness to be met.

[Jim Shannon]

In an intervention, I made a point about the administrative costs of the keypad system in Northern Ireland. It is cheaper than the system on the UK mainland in England and Wales. Is the Minister prepared to consider that system? If we could reduce administrative costs, it would be a factor in the saving for the consumer.

[Gregory Barker]

I would be more than willing to do that. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will be kind enough to write to me with his particular proposal, or the example he thinks best illuminates the case. Prepayment meters obviously have a cost. Ofgem estimates that it costs £88 more than paying by direct debit. If there is a cheaper alternative model for prepayment meters in Northern Ireland, I, for one, would be extremely interested in looking at it.

The hon. Member for Angus mentioned the Prime Minister’s commitment to put everyone on the best deal, but that deal must be cost-reflective. As I said, it costs more to put people on prepayment meters. Ultimately, with only 20% of the fuel-poor, roughly speaking, on prepayment meters, we should not see them as a good thing. In an ideal world, no one would be on a prepayment meter. We do not want to create such an attractive situation that more people opt to go to a prepayment meter.

One of the exciting developments in technology is the advent of smart meters, which will considerably change the ability of consumers to interact with suppliers and will enable suppliers to have a much better relationship with consumers. Consumers will be empowered to make better choices of tariff and how they pay. Obviously, it will be a while before the whole country has smart meters, but we are determined that our smart meter programme should cover the entire country by the end of the decade. Clearly, that leaves some time and we cannot ignore what happens in the meantime.

In many cases, prepayment meters are installed to recover a debt. That element of a customer’s payment must be set at a level that takes into account their ability to pay. That is a point of universal agreement. Prepayment meters also enable customers to monitor and control their energy expenditure, and smart meters will play a valuable additional role.

South West Marine Energy Park

Debate between Lord Barker of Battle and Jim Shannon

Wednesday 29th February 2012 Westminster Hall

[The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker)]

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Camborne and Redruth (George Eustice) on yet again securing a debate. He is an extraordinary champion of marine power in the south-west. It is no discourtesy to any of his colleagues in the region to say that he has undoubtedly been the most tenacious champion over a number years, and preceding his time in the House, in encouraging the formation of marine energy parks, and driving in the Conservative party an ambitious transformational approach to harnessing the power of the sea. He previously secured a Westminster Hall debate on funding for wave power, and his constituency is home to the ground-breaking Wave Hub testing facility for wave energy devices, which remains an important vital component of the South West Marine Energy Park.

I commend my hon. Friend the Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) for her comments and interest, and the real and growing interest in her constituency. I also commend the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon) for his comments; I look forward to visiting Northern Ireland to see for myself the huge potential for marine energy, and some of the exciting developments there.

[Jim Shannon]

The Assembly in Northern Ireland, which has devolved responsibility for this matter, has just concluded legislation on marine technology, so it might be possible to take advantage of that, because people will be eager to tell the Minister what we have done.

[Gregory Barker]

I look forward to opening the post. During the next few minutes I will endeavour to answer in detail the points that my hon. Friend the Member for Camborne and Redruth made. He gave a serious critique of the progress we are making, and the progress that we could make if we improved further the marine energy park and the processes underlying it. If I am unable to give an immediate response, I will write to him, and I will study and reflect on his important points and examples. He is an important voice on this agenda, and I assure him that we take it seriously.

Alongside the other UK marine energy testing facilities at EMEC in the Orkneys, and the marine drive train testing facility that is opening in the spring at the National Renewable Energy Centre—NaREC—in the north-east of England, Wave Hub helps to give Britain a unique offer to this emerging sector not just in the British Isles, but globally. Here in the UK, we continue to be a global focus for an important long-term global industry. It is vital to maintain that competitive advantage, given the significant and increasing interest in other parts of the world. I am constantly looking at how to push forward that agenda in partnership with the industry.

Combining the world-beating testing infrastructure that we have in the UK, particularly in the south-west, with world-class academic expertise, and the funding stream for marine energy, which I will talk about briefly, the coalition has created in the UK the most attractive environment for developing marine energy. It is still a nascent industry, but we believe that it is now the most encouraging environment anywhere in the world, and I am very proud of that.

Before I say anything about today’s topic, let me use this opportunity to welcome the report from the Select Committee on Energy and Climate Change on “The Future of Marine Renewables in the UK”, which was published last week. It underlines the great potential benefits that development of a thriving marine energy sector can bring to the UK, and recognises the coalition’s work to support development of the sector. When I spoke to the Committee last year, I underlined the Government’s determination to grow a thriving marine sector, building on Britain’s wealth of experience and expertise. We will carefully review the report and respond to its recommendations in due course.

I appreciate the concerns voiced by my hon. Friend. He has been a champion of this agenda in the past and it is right to listen to his concerns and take them seriously. I assure him that the Government are fully committed to maximising the benefits that the wave and tidal sectors can deliver. That commitment is explicitly underlined in the coalition agreement, and I am committed to ensuring that it is delivered.

I want to know if there are inefficiencies in the system, and I always look with interest at other models from abroad, or at best practice wherever it is found, to see how that can help to improve the design of our emerging marine economy. That is why I established the marine energy programme board, which brings together the Government, regulators and the marine energy sector. The programme is a vehicle to drive through ambitious changes that will enable marine energy to prosper, including by streamlining the leasing and licensing processes. The network of marine energy parks that we are creating around the UK will be another vital tool for driving home success on the ground.

Last month, I was delighted to be invited to visit the south-west and launch the first marine energy park, which received widespread positive coverage in the press. As hon. Members may know, marine energy parks are central to the Government’s goal to transform prospects for the sector, and they are something that I championed both in government and opposition.

Although wave and tidal technologies are very different, the clustering of activities through marine energy parks can help to drive the required innovation and growth in the sector, in a way that is not dissimilar to what clustering in silicon valley did, and continues to do, for the IT industry. Last year, I challenged the south-west to develop the UK’s first marine energy park. The expertise in the south-west, and the region’s commitment to developing wave and tidal energy, meant that it was among the first to successfully create such a park. I commend the south-west, and in particular its MPs who have been driving the agenda, on the dedication and willingness that has been shown in delivering this outstanding work, and on everything that has been done to turn the vision into reality. It is gratifying to see that the south-west is already using the marine energy park as a way of fostering co-operation and collaboration between sector players in a co-ordinated action to maximise opportunities open to the region, whether by encouraging investment or by maximising access to funds at Westminster or even European level.

I touched earlier on the marine energy programme. Working with key industry and Government stakeholders on the programme board, we can focus on the real issues facing the sector and show the leadership that is needed to tackle the barriers that impede development, and drive the sector forward. I am not complacent about the need to remove more barriers and create a glide path to deployment, which is why I take my hon. Friend’s points so seriously.

One of the first major tasks to which the marine energy programme board contributed was the review of the renewables obligation banding. The evidence that members of the board fed into the review through the board’s finance working group was invaluable, and led to the consultation proposal for enhanced levels of revenue support for wave and tidal stream to five renewables obligation certificates per megawatt, subject to a 30MW project cap.

The consultation on the proposed banding is now closed, and although I am obviously unable to prejudge the final outcome of the review, the work will stand us in good stead when reaching the right decision about the level of ROCs needed to take the sector through to early commercial-scale deployment. The Government’s response to the consultation will be published in spring.

Our work with the sector through the programme board has demonstrated that as well as revenue support, the sector needs capital investment if it is to move towards commercialisation. I therefore announced last June that following the success of the £22 million marine renewables proving fund, the Department of Energy and Climate Change has also allocated up to £20 million for the development of pre-commercial wave and tidal arrays. I remind hon. Members that that funding represents a significant proportion of the overall DECC innovation funding allocated for the spending period at a time of severe retrenchment and austerity, so it is a good outcome for the sector.

My officials have been working with the sector on designing the marine energy array demonstrator fund, or MEAD. The overall framework of the scheme is nearing completion, and we envisage that it will be open for applications this spring. More recently, there has been a welcome announcement of additional funding from the Scottish Government. It is important, however, that that funding complements the support already put in place by DECC, the Energy Technologies Institute, the Technology Strategy Board and others, as well as the opportunities presented by the EU new entrants reserve. My officials are working with their Scottish Government counterparts to ensure that funding is complementary, used effectively, and offers best value for money. However, the success of the industry does not rest solely on financial support.

We have also made progress on planning and consents—a point close to my hon. Friend’s heart. In particular, DECC completed the offshore energy strategic environmental assessment for wave and tidal energy in English and Welsh waters last year. The SEA complements the existing work for Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Severn estuary, and opens up suitable sites across the UK for consideration concerning the potential deployment of marine energy devices.

My hon. Friend raised concerns about the Crown Estate, and I will take them on board when I further consider his remarks. We should not, however, overlook the work that the Crown Estate is doing with the sector to enable commercial-scale deployment. At the end of last year, the Crown Estate launched a tidal stream leasing round in Northern Ireland, which followed the success of the world’s first commercial-scale wave and tidal leasing round, in which the Crown Estate leased 11 sites in Scotland’s Pentland firth and Orkney waters, which could extend to 1.6 GW of capacity.

Work is already under way to consider how the practicalities of sea-bed leasing can be best approached. Later this year, the Crown Estate plans to run a consultation with industry on future wave and tidal leasing, which will be informed by work that it is undertaking to clarify the size and distribution of wave and tidal energy resources across the UK. Leasing for small test deployments is currently dealt with case by case through a newly set up fast-track process. Such deployments should not be subjected to the same complexity of process as larger, commercial-scale deployment, and I would be keen to hear whether that is the experience of stakeholders.

On licensing and planning, we need to build on the work that has already started in Scotland to ensure that a coherent and efficient system of planning and consenting is adopted across the UK. I have asked the Marine Management Organisation, and Marine Scotland, to work with the sector to look at ways of ensuring that the licensing process is as efficient as possible, while maintaining the necessary level of protection for the environment.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is reviewing the implementation of the birds and habitats directives, which are important environmental directives that affect the renewable energy sector. The views of the offshore renewables sector are being fed into the review, so that the right balance between efficient deployment of marine energy and the safeguarding of our marine habitat can be struck. I will, however, take on board my hon. Friend’s comments about Norway.