All 2 Debates between Lord Spellar and James Sunderland

UK Defence Spending

Debate between Lord Spellar and James Sunderland
Thursday 24th June 2021

(3 years, 5 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland
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Again, I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention. My clear understanding as someone who has spent time working in Defence Equipment and Support and in the MOD is that European Union legislation prevented this country from preferring UK industry. We are now not beholden to the European Union. We can place contracts with whom we want, and we are seeing it right now with our new strategy.

Lord Spellar Portrait John Spellar
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland
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I will not give way, sorry.

Lord Spellar Portrait John Spellar
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Go on, give way.

James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland
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Go on then, if the right hon. Gentleman insists.

Lord Spellar Portrait John Spellar
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I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, because he said something very significant—about his understanding when working at DE&S. He was saying that the culture there was to embody in their thinking the idea that they could not do it. In fact, that was totally untrue, and every other European country looked after its own industry. He has, very helpfully, exposed the deeply rotten culture inside the Ministry of Defence.

James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland
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My clear view is that the Ministry of Defence has the ability in law to extend contracts to whom it wants. We are no longer beholden to the European Union.

Lord Spellar Portrait John Spellar
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We never were.

James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland
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Yes, we were. I rest my case.

Let us look at what we have right now. We have Lightning II.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Lord Spellar and James Sunderland
Monday 4th May 2020

(4 years, 6 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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James Sunderland Portrait James Sunderland (Bracknell) (Con)
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What steps his Department is taking with the armed forces to support NHS trusts in their response to the covid-19 outbreak.

Lord Spellar Portrait John Spellar (Warley) (Lab)
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What support the armed forces are providing to civil authorities in response to the covid-19 outbreak.