Debates between John McDonnell and Keir Starmer during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Referral of Prime Minister to Committee of Privileges

Debate between John McDonnell and Keir Starmer
Thursday 21st April 2022

(2 years, 7 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Keir Starmer Portrait Keir Starmer
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I will take one more intervention and then I will make some progress.

John McDonnell Portrait John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) (Lab)
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I understand completely the point made by the right hon. Member for Gainsborough (Sir Edward Leigh) about toning down the rhetoric—[Interruption.] I understand that position, but let me make this point, because I have known him over the years: we cannot tone down the seriousness of this matter. I was in the Prime Minister’s constituency earlier this week; it is the neighbouring constituency to mine and we are campaigning for the London Borough of Hillingdon in the election. There is some shift in the vote from Tory to Labour because of this issue, but that is not the significant point. What is significant is the number of people we found who were totally disillusioned, who had had enough of the system and who were blaming the system itself. That is what we are fighting and campaigning for. We are campaigning to restore the credibility of our country’s democratic processes.

Keir Starmer Portrait Keir Starmer
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That is a really important and powerful point, because if we do not pass this motion and take this opportunity to restate the principles, we are all complicit in allowing the standards to slip. We are all complicit in allowing the public to think that we are all the same, that nobody tells the truth and that there are alternative sets of facts.