Data (Use and Access) Bill [HL]

Debate between Earl of Erroll and Lord Bethell

Committee stage
Wednesday 18th December 2024 Grand Committee

[Lord Bethell (Con)]

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. As a former Minister, I was at the front line of genomic data and know how powerful it currently is and can be in the future. Having discussed this with the UK Biobank, I know that the issue of who stores and processes genomic data in the UK is a subject of huge and grave concern. I emphasise that the American Government have moved on this issue already and emphatically. There is the possibility that we will be left behind in global standards and will one day be an outlier if we do not close this important and strategically delicate loophole. For that reason, I strongly support this amendment.

[The Earl of Erroll (CB)]

My Lords, I was involved in an ethics committee that looked at genomics and cancer research some years ago, and this is very important. If research could be done on different genomic and racial types, it could be used against us adversely at some point. So there is a lot of sense in this.

Covid-19: Response

Debate between Earl of Erroll and Lord Bethell

Tuesday 19th May 2020 Lords Chamber

[Lord Bethell]

My Lords, we work extremely closely with the devolved Assemblies, the four CMOs and the four nations to have a consistent four-nations approach to Covid. We very much welcome Nicola Sturgeon’s support for this consistent approach.

[The Earl of Erroll (CB)]

How are vaccines going to work if, as the Government say, the presence of Covid-19 antibodies in a test do not mean that a person is immune? I think that quite a few people are confused.

[Lord Bethell]

My Lords, the noble Earl is stretching my scientific knowledge with his question. All I can say is that different vaccines work in different ways. Anyone with antibodies who has beaten the disease has the capability of beating the disease, but vaccines ensure that that capability lasts longer, hopefully for life.

Covid-19: Personal Protective Equipment

Debate between Earl of Erroll and Lord Bethell

Thursday 23rd April 2020 Lords Chamber

[Lord Bethell]

The noble Lord makes an entirely reasonable and common-sense request. It is one that I have put to officials myself. The practicalities of PPE are that you have to be prepared to be covered in large amounts of human fluids and for the garments to be waterproof against their impact. Staff are uncomfortable with wearing garments that may have been used in that way previously. In order to maintain levels of hygiene and to rid them of disease, it is very difficult to reuse them. However, we have a committee looking at the potential for reuse, which will be reporting shortly.

[The Earl of Erroll (CB)]

How does the NHS expect to be able to buy PPE when it insists on paying 30 days after delivery, when everyone else is paying upfront, especially internationally? This applies both when we want to import and to pre-empt export. It might explain the interruption in the Turkish supply chain.

[Lord Bethell]

My Lords, the question of payment is a relevant one. We have put in place new facilities for different means of payment, but I just alert noble Lords to the very large amount of fraud that exists in this marketplace at the moment. I am aware of several police inquiries into situations where providers have sought early or upfront payment. We have to protect both the patients from failure to deliver and the taxpayer regarding value for money