Debates between Barry Gardiner and Lord Grayling during the 2010-2015 Parliament

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Barry Gardiner and Lord Grayling
Tuesday 4th February 2014

(10 years, 9 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Lord Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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Fundamentally, in my opinion, the problem is that the Court is interpreting the convention as an unfettered jurisprudence that allows it to move into areas never envisaged by the people who wrote the convention. My clear view is that the Court is moving into areas that are matters for national Parliaments and which do not belong within the remit of an international court. It is a matter of disagreement between the coalition parties—we are open and honest about that—but we will leave it to the electorate in 14 months to decide which of our approaches they prefer.

Barry Gardiner Portrait Barry Gardiner (Brent North) (Lab)
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Would the Secretary of State care to reflect on the role of the European Court of Human Rights in protecting fundamental freedoms in this country that he would support? For example, it was due to the Court that journalists were not forced to reveal their sources and that people were allowed to go on wearing crucifixes when they had been told not to wear them. These are essential and fundamental freedoms that I know he agrees with. Would he care to comment on that?

Lord Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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Where I differ is that I do not believe it is necessary to have an international court deciding things that should be a matter for this Parliament and our courts. That is what needs to change.