Bread and Flour Regulations: Folic Acid

Debate between Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean and Lord Kamall

Wednesday 6th July 2022 Lords Chamber

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

If I let your Lordships laugh a bit longer, maybe I will run out of time. We are absolutely clear that we will do this; I am sorry that we have to go through this process, but the advice I have been given is that we have to go through the proper consultation and notification process. I apologise if that annoys noble Lords.

[Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean (Lab)]

My Lords, the noble Lord will have followed the argument of my noble friend Lord Rooker for a very long time. Actually, he is one of the very few Ministers that I hope will not resign, because he is always honest and clear with this House and has a level of respect which Ministers in another place perhaps do not have. But I ask him quite sincerely: does he really want the risk of another 500 or 600 babies who are much wanted being lost, on the timetable he has outlined to the House, because that is what will happen?

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

I first express my relief that the noble Baroness does not want me to resign—but, as others say, give it time.

Personal Protective Equipment: Waste

Debate between Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean and Lord Kamall

Tuesday 14th June 2022 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean (Lab)]

My Lords, in answer to my noble friend Lord Winston, the Minister said that the storage costs would have been greater than the costs of buying the PPE at the time that we did. Can he substantiate this for the elucidation of the House in general and say what those costs would have been for storage relative to the costs that we paid in the end? Perhaps he can give us those figures. If he has not got the information readily available today, maybe he will give them within a week or so.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

Had we bought the PPE when it was first suggested that we should be preparing, the initial purchase price would have been lower, probably about £2.4 billion, but there would have been additional costs such as storage, replenishment of expired stock, and disposal of items, because even then there would have been items which had gone beyond their shelf life. That would have pushed the total cost to £13.4 billion.