Revised Energy National Policy Statements

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering Excerpts

Tuesday 22nd February 2022 Grand Committee

[Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Con)]

My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Baroness. I refer to my interests as declared in the register: I am the honorary president of the advisory board of National Energy Action and, perhaps of more relevance, I was delighted to undertake a placement with BP as part of the Industry and Parliament Trust and had the privilege of visiting a North Sea oilfield.

I welcome today’s debate on the documents and thank my noble friend the Minister for bringing them to us. I want to ask a series of questions. As there are a number of them, I will quite understand if my noble friend might find it easier to respond in writing.

Following the critical floods of 2007, the Pitt review concluded that there should be an audit of critical infrastructure, most of which seemed to be energy substations that were at serious risk of flooding. How regularly does such an audit take place and when was the last one performed?

In the principal policy statement before us today, EN-1, there is welcome reference to climate change adaptation. Is there any reason—perhaps I have missed it—why mitigation has been left out? Many of the references that are made would cover mitigation as well as adaptation. I welcome in particular paragraph 4.9.11, which states:

“If any adaptation measures give rise to consequential impacts (for example on flooding, water resources or coastal change) the Secretary of State should consider the impact of the latter in relation to the application as a whole and the impacts guidance set out in Part 5 of this NPS.”


I think that, somehow, the Minister is secretly aware of my fixation and passion for SUDS, or sustainable urban drainage; I am also an honorary vice-president of the Association of Drainage Authorities, which apply to the lower drainage areas, of which we have plenty in North Yorkshire. I am therefore delighted that, on pages 93 and 95, there is reference to the reduction of flood risk and, in particular, the “hierarchy of drainage options” in relation to sustainable drainage systems and other green infrastructure. That is very welcome, and I hope that my noble friend will be able to expand on those points.

My background gives me a real concern about how energy is generated, transmitted and distributed in rural areas. My noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe had a similar experience to my own, where a family home was without electricity for six days and included a particularly elderly population who had no such luck as to have a generator. That was during Storm Arwen, and we have seen many others since then. Rural areas are often off grid and face particular challenges in receiving fuel. They tend to be dependent on LPG, solid fuel and oil to heat homes. As my noble friend the Minister will be aware, these are not covered by the price cap and those areas face an even higher increase in costs, particularly because of activities this week in Ukraine—today there has been an additional spike. To what extent will the NPS reflect this and look to rural-proof any nationally significant infrastructure that is envisaged under the proposals before us today?

I for one particularly accept and welcome the nuclear energy mix. My noble friend said yesterday in the debate on the Bill that 85% of our UK nuclear capacity is to go out of commission by 2028. If, as I understand it, the national policy statement for nuclear power generation, EN-6, is not part of the package before us today, what would be the timetable for its review, and would it be subject to a further debate here and looked at separately by the BEIS Select Committee in the other place? I think that we are going to be increasingly dependent on nuclear and, obviously, 15% is not going to hack it after 2028.

The noble Lord, Lord Whitty, in his remarks, made reference to hydrogen and heat pumps as two separate issues. I, for one, do not understand how hydrogen will work and what the use of hydrogen will be, but I was particularly relieved that fracking did not happen in north Yorkshire, for the very simple reason that it would not only be difficult to fund but there was no way that the wastewater could be safely taken away and disposed of. Fracking and hydrogen, as I understand it, will have remarkably large uses of water. I certainly welcome a greater understanding of how we would deal with that.

I leave the Minister with the thought that we need a coherent, well-thought-out and consistent policy, and I for one would argue that we should not penalise those who live in rural areas. I would be interested to learn how we are going to rural-proof any energy policy, particularly regarding significant national infrastructure as it comes out.

The noble Lord, Lord Whitty, also referred to district heating, which is closely linked to energy from waste. I do not understand why we are not using more energy from waste or, indeed, combined heat and power. I remember going to visit SELCHP, the south-east London combined heat and power scheme, before it actually became the combined heat and power scheme. It seems that we solve two problems in one go, if we go down the path of energy from waste and combined heat and power. We are disposing of hard to get rid of rubbish; we want to incinerate it, because we cannot get rid of it in landfill—it is very hard to get rid of. North Yorkshire and I think probably most local authorities are exporting this rubbish to countries such as Holland, where it is burned and goes into the local network. I hope that my noble friend and the department will learn from the Danes and other Scandinavians, as well as the Austrians and Germans, who use this, as my aunt and uncle in Denmark have enjoyed over a period of time, to reduce their heating and hot water costs by feeding the energy from waste into the local grid, so the local community benefits.

I shall say a word on renewables. Under the excellent and skilful chairmanship of the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, we looked at offshore wind farms and received very powerful evidence to show that there are significant threats to sea mammals and sea wildlife through the use of offshore wind, which should be explored before there is a further rollout of offshore wind and arrays, to which the noble Lord, Lord Whitty referred. The most significant thing for rural areas that causes me alarm is that, once the energy generated reaches shore from an offshore wind farm, it has to be transmitted almost entirely by overhead powerlines and pylons. My noble friend and I suffered a loss of electricity, as did thousands more in the two recent storms—and any reduction of transmitting power by overhead powerlines and pylons would be welcome. It is not generally understood that we lose 30% of our electricity through transmitting energy in this way, so it is wasteful, not sustainable, and that must be addressed. I welcome my noble friend’s response as to how we can better transport the energy from offshore wind farms when it reaches shore. I support the call of the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for limiting the number of onshore connections in that regard.

Like my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe, I am a keen supporter of heritage railways, and that is something that my noble friend might like to address in his remarks —whether they will be able to source their coal. I speak as the honorary president of the most-visited tourist venue in north Yorkshire, the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. I hope that my noble friend will ensure that we can continue to enjoy heritage railways sourced by locally produced coal.

In conclusion, I ask my noble friend how he intends to address energy efficiency to stop wasteful transmission, as I described; how to make electricity more sustainable and resilient; how to future-proof the increasing demands and how the Government will meet the additional electricity required to power electric vehicles. In particular, I ask, as have others, how often the Government will review the national energy policy statements and, finally, what plans he has to rural-proof the national policy statements and how we expect the department to do that.