Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Tuesday 17th June 2025

(1 week, 1 day ago)

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Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, I apologise for not being present at the beginning of the discussion of these amendments. One issue that I was worried about many years ago, and I would be surprised if it did not happen still, is the fact that once a child moves from its local authority area to a local authority somewhere else, the sending local authority completely loses contact with anything that happens to the child—even though, as I understand it, it retains a certain responsibility. I wonder whether anything can be done to make sure that each local authority—that which the child comes from and that which the child goes to—is actually in touch and discussing what happens.

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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As usual, my friend the noble and learned Baroness makes an important point about the application of the law in this particular case. I think, as she suggests, that legal accountability and responsibility remains with the authority placing the child, but that does not mean that, in practical terms, there should not be engagement, and I would have thought that that would have been good practice. I also think that it is important that there is clarity about where the responsibility stays. That goes for the care co-operatives as well.

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Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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This may be a rather silly question, but in my experience of the Atkinson secure accommodation unit, every child needs at least two carers. There are even children who need three. I wonder how a children’s residential care home will manage a child deprived of liberty. It will be an extreme case and the child will be unbelievably difficult to look after.

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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Nevertheless, we believe that it is possible. On the definition of relevant accommodation, we believe that it is possible to find those sorts of homes—sometimes supported by the use of technology to help maintain security for children, and certainly needing a certain level of staffing, as the noble and learned Baroness said—and that, for many children, it is preferable to live in that type of accommodation as opposed to the alternative, which has been to be deprived of their liberty under the inherent jurisdiction of the courts. Actually, some of that type of accommodation may well be more suitable for things such as maintaining contact, having education and being closer to the community.

Assistive Technology

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Tuesday 20th May 2025

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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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The noble Earl is right that that research—which, to be fair, happened under the last Government—is an important basis on which we can now expand the ability to use, and improve the use of, assistive technology across schools and education. That research has identified the barriers in the system and the opportunities to address them. It is why, as I have already said, we will be able to expand workforce training, improve connectivity and facilitate better multiagency working. We will be publishing research on that later on, in the summer. I think those things will make a genuine difference to assistive technology users across the country.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, some years ago, my granddaughter had to move school in order to be identified as having dyslexia. She was treated as stupid at the first school. She then had wonderful training from the school she went to—a brilliant primary school in Kentish Town. What sort of training are teachers getting to at least identify that dyslexia is there?

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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The noble and learned Baroness raises a really important point. We need to ensure that all teachers are, first of all, able to be special needs teachers, because that is their role. Secondly, we need to ensure the much earlier identification of those children with special needs. That needs to start, in many cases, before children even get to school. That is the reason why we have improved the guidance and training for those in early years settings and are improving the support available to schools to be able to identify children much earlier, including those with dyslexia, so that action can be taken. There is, of course, more that we need to do in this area, which is why special educational needs reform is a key priority for this Government and the Department for Education.

Early Years Provision: Bell Review

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Monday 21st October 2024

(8 months ago)

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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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The noble Lord is right about the challenge for the workforce. That is why, last week, as he says, we published further information about the 75,000 additional staff that will be necessary. It will be a challenge, but we have already begun work, focusing on the Government’s childcare recruitment campaign, “Do Something Big”. We have also introduced a T-level in early years and childcare, and through Skills England we will be identifying the gaps and ensuring that the support is there for employers to develop staff in this area. But it will be a very big challenge to make sure that the places and people are there to deliver the entitlement by next September.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, many young mothers are not very good at looking after their very young children. What are the Government doing to help mothers and children bond and learn to look after each other?

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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In my case, I could say that slightly older mothers were probably not particularly good at looking after their young children either.

The noble and learned Baroness makes a very important point about the support we provide for mothers, obviously through midwives and antenatal care, which I know my colleague in the Department of Health and Social Care will be very concerned about, and we will hear her views. In ensuring we have early family support, particularly for the most vulnerable families, we will also help to overcome that problem.

Government’s Childcare Expansion

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Monday 21st October 2024

(8 months ago)

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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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My noble friend makes a very important point. As I suggested earlier, childcare provision is good for parents because it provides them with opportunities to work and supports them with the cost of living. Most importantly—my right honourable friend the Secretary of State is adamant about this—high-quality early years education provision ensures that children get the very best possible start. It helps to overcome disadvantage in their home lives; it helps to identify special educational needs earlier, and it sets children up to learn. That is why it will be an absolute commitment of this Government. We were pleased to be able to outline last week the next stage of our development in this area.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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My Lords, could the Minister of State say something about the importance of the status of people who work in early years?

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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Absolutely. The name of our recruitment campaign to encourage more people to come and work in this area is “Do Something Big”. Our argument is that there is little that you can do that is more important for changing somebody’s life than working with them in their very earliest years, whether through caring or through early years education and development. That is why the investment that this Government are putting in is so important and why we will celebrate the people who carry out that really important role.

Independent Schools: VAT Exemption

Debate between Baroness Butler-Sloss and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Thursday 5th September 2024

(9 months, 2 weeks ago)

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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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My noble friend is right, and I am very proud of that. Our position, as I said, has been tested in the legal advice in the consideration of these changes. Our view is that being charged at the standard rate of VAT paid by millions of businesses across the UK is not discriminatory and is clearly proportionate to the objective of better funding for state schools. To the extent that I am able, I will certainly ensure that I write further about that issue to my noble friend and to others.

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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May I ask the Minster, before she sits down, about the children taking GCSEs and A-levels? What are the Government going to do to help them where there will be changes in the programmes they are doing?

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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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I apologise to the noble and learned Baroness: with respect, I was showing my inexperience in this House and asking my Whip about the situation. If the House will allow, could the noble and learned Baroness repeat her question?

Baroness Butler-Sloss Portrait Baroness Butler-Sloss (CB)
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I was asking about children taking GCSEs and A-levels when this starts in January.

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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I think I covered that point in talking about the arguments for introducing this in January, while also making it clear that it is the Government’s view that introducing the VAT liability does not necessarily imply that a sudden increase in bills will arise; nor does it imply that the whole of that increase in VAT will be passed on in fees. In fact, if we look at the behaviour in the private school sector, we see that, despite very large increases in fees—well above inflation—parents have tended, where they have made that choice, to keep their children in the private sector anyway, and I am sure that the vast majority of parents will continue to do that. The analysis, including that carried out by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, suggests that, even if there is going to be a movement of pupils away from the private sector, that will tend to be not immediately in January but over a much longer period, and I imagine that will be the approach that most parents take.