Armed Forces Bill

Debate between Baroness Brinton and Baroness Goldie

3rd reading
Tuesday 27th October 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Brinton (LD)]

My Lords, I am speaking on behalf of my noble friend Lady Smith of Newnham, who seems to have gone down with the lurgy that affected the Front Bench on this Bill last week. She sends her apologies that she cannot be in her place.

On Report, my noble friend Lady Smith indicated that she supported the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of Radley, in his intentions with his amendment. She is also delighted with the concession that the Government have given today. We are really pleased that it has happened—it is a simple but important amendment that brings commencement at the earliest opportunity, within the first half of the next financial year.

[Baroness Goldie (Con)]

My Lords, I apologise to the House for not being present last week for Report. I thank everyone who so thoughtfully sent good wishes. I also hope that the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, is making a return to full health. We certainly look forward to seeing him in his place. I am so sorry to learn that the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Newnham, is unwell. I send her the best wishes of these Benches and hope that she is soon on the mend.

Happily, my noble friend Lord Minto is indestructible and fit as a butcher’s dog: here last week, here today. I thank him for his doughty efforts in my absence. I was watching avidly on my iPad from the dining room table and I think we all agree that his adversary, the noble Baroness, Lady Antrobus, plunged in at the deep end and acquitted herself admirably.

As my noble friend said last week, these Benches support the amendment tabled by the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of Radley. Had he divided the House, we would have supported him. I welcome that the Government have addressed this issue with their amendment, and I am delighted to hear that the noble and gallant Lord is now content with the position.

I know it is no longer accepted practice to thank a cast of thousands at Third Reading, but, if noble Lords might indulge me for a moment, I would like to pay tribute to the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of Radley. Not only did he serve our nation with distinction for 40 years; he has continued that distinguished service through his highly effective work in your Lordships’ House for a further three decades. At the age of 97— I do not know what he is on, but I want some of it—the noble and gallant Lord is still serving the nation. If ever there were a reason to abandon the plan to remove the over-80s from your Lordships’ House, I think the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig, encapsulates it.

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, and the noble Baroness, Lady Antrobus, for their constructive engagement as Ministers during the Bill’s progress, as well as the Bill team and everyone else who has assisted in its smooth passage.

Service Family Accommodation

Debate between Baroness Brinton and Baroness Goldie

Wednesday 21st December 2022 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Goldie (Con)]

Let me reassure the noble Baroness. One of my questions to my officials earlier today was exactly the one I indicated to the noble Baroness, Lady Smith: what does somebody do who is affected by damp and mould in a property? The answer is that a dedicated damp and mould team has been set up by DIO, and it will be stood up during January 2023. A dedicated hotline is in place for damp and mould, and has been live since last April. It also works on a triaging approach, so that there is an opportunity to assess the situation. A report of mould leads to a professional survey report being commissioned and, if required, that is followed by an offer of alternative accommodation. We simply will not have people living in non-habitable premises.

I can share with the Chamber that Amey is piloting a video project to see whether this helps to improve the pace at which things are dealt with, and awareness of conditions within the property. Often, that helps to decide at the triaging stage how urgent the problem is. It is a pilot, and no doubt we will be reviewing it, but I assure the noble Baroness that we are cognisant of the threat of damp and mould, particularly in the light of the recent tragedy involving the little boy, and we are doing everything we can to mitigate the effect.

[Baroness Brinton (LD)]

I thank the Minister for that very helpful answer. So far, the focus has been very much on the repairs required and the firms to do them, but there is a duty that the Government and the people of this country have under the Armed Forces covenant. Given that we are talking about people who live on site and who use the doctors’ services on site, have the Government any idea what percentage of families in military accommodation, and of children especially, have respiratory diseases? It is possible to anonymise this information, but it might help the Government to understand the scale of this problem in comparison with the average figures across the country.

[Baroness Goldie (Con)]

The noble Baroness raises a very interesting point. I do not have specific information, but once again I shall undertake to inquire, and offer to write to her if I elicit a response.

Armed Forces Bill

Debate between Baroness Brinton and Baroness Goldie

Committee stage
Wednesday 27th October 2021 Grand Committee

[Baroness Goldie (Con)]

First, I want to thank your Lordships for what has been a profound and stimulating discussion. I am conscious that much of the debate has centred on fairly technical legal issues, not least in particular reference to the criminal legal system, both for civilian and service justice systems. I shall do my best to address the issues raised.

By way of preface, in response to points notably made by the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, and the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, and echoed by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, we all want a service justice system that is fit for purpose. I think we are all absolutely united in seeking that objective, and that is exactly what the Bill aims to achieve. That offers me the opportunity to say to your Lordships that much had to move at pace, involving a considerable volume of material. I apologise for that, as I know that you have all been deluged, first with the publication of the Henriques report and then the tabling of government amendments to create the defence serious crime unit.

While I think that these are regarded as very positive developments, I understand that it has put pressure on everybody to try properly to assimilate and understand the report and amendments. I took the view that the amendments did not make a lot of sense without the report, and I had to navigate my way through a fairly tangled jungle of clearances to make sure that we could get both things out into the public domain. I felt that it was important that we did that; it seemed to me that the amendments the Government were then able to table to the Bill in respect of the defence serious crime unit provided reassurance and perhaps answered some of the questions raised today. I think that gives a clear signal of intent about the desire to ensure, as a number of noble Lords have observed this afternoon, that the criminal justice system is absolutely fit for purpose and as good as it can be.

I will now address the amendments in this group. I shall do that beginning with Amendment 5 and then move on to Amendment 6—and then I shall speak to the intention expressed by the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of Radley, to oppose Clause 7. Finally, I shall speak to Amendment 7 in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Morris of Aberavon.

The noble Lord, Lord Coaker, said that there has to be confidence in the justice system, and I totally agree with that. He rightly referred to recent statistics, which are deeply troubling—and I make no pretence about that. As he probably knows, there has been ongoing work in the MoD over the last decade to try to address cultures and behaviour, to provide people who have been treated wrongly—whether it is the victims of unacceptable behaviour or of a criminal offence—with the confidence to come forward, and to try to reassure those within our Armed Forces, not least our women, that this is a good and safe place to be. That has been a Herculean struggle; it has been a huge challenge, and I am not going to pretend otherwise. What I can say is that there has been systematic progress of very good work.

The noble Lord, Lord Coaker, referred to the Commons Select Committee report, in which the MoD very readily engaged—and the Secretary of State took the courageous and absolutely correct decision to allow serving women to appear as witnesses before the committee. I thought he was absolutely right to do that, as it is the only way in which we can get evidence out into the open. Very troubling evidence was heard, and some of it was utterly appalling. What I drew comfort from was that, to the end, a very high percentage of the women who gave evidence said that they would recommend a career in the Armed Forces to other women. I felt encouraged by that. There was recognition that, while unacceptable practices and attitudes have existed in the past, there is a discernible recognition that the direction has changed.

In relation to the stats to which the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, referred, they are troubling, but they do tell us that people are now coming forward. One problem that we had was that people would not come forward; they did not have the confidence to do that—and that to me strikes at the very heart of the probity and integrity of, and the confidence that people should rightly have in, the system.

We have been and are reforming the service complaints system. A huge amount of work has been done among the single services to that end.

[Baroness Brinton (LD) [V]]

I seem to have lost the sound.