(2 days, 18 hours ago)
Lords Chamber
Baroness Ashton of Upholland (Lab)
My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Barrow, as he makes his first intervention in your Lordships’ debates. As the noble Lord, Lord Ricketts, suggested, the noble Lord, Lord Barrow, has aptly shown that we can look forward to rich contributions from a distinguished diplomatic career.
I was fortunate enough to work with the noble Lord in Brussels, London and a little bit in Moscow. I well recall bringing the P5+1 to Moscow as part of our negotiations with Iran, and the noble Lord hosting senior representatives from France, Germany, the US and China to dinner in the embassy. It is not an everyday occurrence, said the noble Lord, wryly, at the time. They were different times, of course—different circumstances—but a demonstration of the adaptability of the noble Lord in all circumstances. I am sure all noble Lords will join me in wishing him well in his career in your Lordships’ House, and I look forward to the opportunity to hear him enriching our debates in the future.
I thank my noble friend for instigating this debate. I am reminded that this war is well over a decade old. In the autumn of 2013, President Yanukovych of Ukraine walked across the lobby of a hotel in Vilnius and told me that he could not sign an agreement that had been seven years in the making, had been initialled and had brought together most of the European leaders in celebration of its signing. He told me then that he could not sign because of pressure from Moscow.
Standing in Maidan in Kyiv in November 2013, in the deep cold of winter, I watched thousands of people with their European banners demand that the promise made of a stronger and deeper relationship with Europe be fulfilled. Their passion was reflected in similar demonstrations all across the country. I spent many hours with the then President, trying to persuade him; more hours with politicians and representatives from across Ukraine, trying to help solve problems that we know now were just beginning; and, of course, a great deal of time with the Russian Foreign Minister and with President Putin.
From that time, I was aware that President Putin was driven by that combination of history and legacy. His desire to recreate what he perceives as Russia’s glory in empire is combined with the refusal to be the leader—as the noble Lord, Lord Barrow, mentioned in the context of President Yeltsin—who, in his mind, loses Ukraine. Whatever the fallacy of this situation, it is important to understand that, as we consider support for Ukraine not just now but into its future.
We must remain steadfast, as other noble Lords have said. Visits to Ukraine before this phase of the war broke out and broke cover in 2022 revealed that people in Ukraine often felt forgotten. People killed by missile strikes in the Donbass while I was there seemed barely to merit responses in capitals across the world. It felt to me as I left in early 2020 that this cold conflict could fast become frozen.
I remind noble Lords, too, that the conflict in Georgia remains in such a state. Abkhazia and South Ossetia, held by Russia, with barbed wire separating them from the rest of their country, remind us too that in any final resolution to the conflict in Ukraine, we have unfinished business elsewhere.
Ukraine does not take our support for granted, of course. Meeting with colleagues and friends recently in Warsaw, I was conscious of their determination and steadfast nature and of their gratitude to us. I look across this House, at a time when politics seems to thrive on division and anger, and see a united House on this issue—long may that remain. But I also see, as the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, said of her friends and colleagues, the tiredness and anxiety of my friends, who need to know that we will stay with them. I commend the Prime Minister and the ministerial team, including my noble friends, on their strong leadership.
It will one day not only be about the supply of weapons, training of soldiers and coalition of the willing—it will be about how we support Ukraine in resolution of the conflict and stay with this country into the future. Wars end with ragged edges, not with straight lines, with challenges and with dangers. As we help build Ukraine’s future, democratic and free, there is always the risk that conflict will be renewed without the safeguards to prevent it.
What will make the difference is how far the support of the willing is prepared to go. I remember well in negotiations with countries such as Iran, or with Russia itself, that I was conscious that those who sat opposite me in negotiation did not look just at me but at who stood behind me. We must stand squarely behind Ukraine. Ukraine will determine its own future, but those who look from the opposite side at it should see in the role directly behind it no turning away from the steadfast, determined support. For as long as it takes, we must give Ukraine strength in war and strength in peace.