House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
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Read Full debate10:42 - Division on the Amendment to the Motion. - Ayes: 2 / Noes: 127 - Amendment to the Motion disagreed.
12:21 - Division on Amendment 10 - Ayes: 20 / Noes: 111 - Amendment 10 disagreed.
Lord Low of Dalston (CB)
My Lords, the business list for today indicates that after we have received the reply to the Urgent Question, the House will move into Committee on the conscientious objection Bill. As we have made good progress on the Bill of the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, I suggest that we keep going on that to see whether we can get through the rest of that business today, rather than move on to the Committee of another Bill.
Lord Young of Cookham (Con)
My Lords, I understand the appetite to make progress on the Bill that we have been discussing. There have been discussions through the usual channels, including with the sponsor of the Bill, and it has been decided to split the day half and half between the Bill we have just been discussing and the conscientious objection Bill. I think that the House ought to stick to the arrangement agreed through the usual channels.
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall (Lab)
My Lords, can the noble Lord say whether further time will be available for the Committee stage of the Bill of the noble Lord, Lord Grocott? That may be something that exercises the people who are interested in it.
Lord Young of Cookham
The Government will not be making time for the Bill. Its progress on a Friday is something that will need to be discussed with the Chief Whip.
Lord Low of Dalston
My Lords, that is why I proposed that we should keep going on this Bill. We have made good progress on it and, as the noble Lord has indicated, there is no assurance of getting further time for it. I accept that an agreement has been reached through the usual channels but the House is sovereign on these matters and I would like to put it to the House that, after we have heard the Answer to the UQ—
Lord Mackay of Clashfern (Con)
I support that. I had hoped that we would have finished the Committee stage of the Bill of the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, by now, and it is unfortunate that we have not done so. The amount of time that we had for it seemed reasonable. I support what has obviously already been agreed, as I have some interest in the next Bill as well. However, I invite the usual channels to do their best to get more time for this Bill as soon as possible.
Lord Young of Cookham
Without committing my noble friend, who is sitting on my left, the Government are open to further discussions, through the usual channels, with the noble Lord, Lord Grocott.
