(3 months, 4 weeks ago)
Public Bill CommitteesThis text is a record of ministerial contributions to a debate held as part of the Secure 16 to 19 Academies Bill 2024-26 passage through Parliament.
In 1993, the House of Lords Pepper vs. Hart decision provided that statements made by Government Ministers may be taken as illustrative of legislative intent as to the interpretation of law.
This extract highlights statements made by Government Ministers along with contextual remarks by other members. The full debate can be read here
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 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Sir Nicholas Dakin)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Sir Nicholas Dakin) 
        
    
        
    
        It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Mundell.
I thank the hon. Members who have contributed so far. On the issues just raised by the hon. Member for Spelthorne, they are for the Bill as it makes progress. Assuming that it does progress, however, I am happy to write to him with an answer to those points, as they are pertinent.
I shall not detain the Committee for long, but I add my wholehearted support to my hon. Friend the Member for Cramlington and Killingworth for promoting the Bill. I thank the Opposition and Liberal Democrats spokesmen for the pertinent remarks that they have made, which are helpful.
A sad reality is that a small number of children commit offences so serious that there is no option other than to deprive them of their liberty to protect the public. In line with our safer streets mission, the Government’s responsibility is to ensure that children who find themselves in the youth justice system receive the support that they need to turn their lives around.
Secure 16-to-19 academies, otherwise known as secure schools, offer an opportunity to transform the experience of children who are detained after having been sentenced or remanded to custody by the courts. Secure schools allow children to gain skills and qualifications that will help them to turn their backs on crime for good and, crucially, to protect the public from their reoffending in the future.
 Sir Desmond Swayne (New Forest West) (Con)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir Desmond Swayne (New Forest West) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
        We have had Borstals and approved schools, neither of which were particularly successful at reforming those who were in custody in them. Is the Minister confident that this new architecture, this new arrangement, will be more successful?
 Sir Nicholas Dakin
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir Nicholas Dakin 
        
    
        
    
        The proof of the pudding is always in the eating, and we are at the start of a new venture. The former chief inspector of prisons, Charlie Taylor, was enthusiastic about this line of development. The previous Government, to their credit, over a period of time developed the first 16-to-19 academy, which is now established in legislation. The first ever secure school, Oasis Restore, opened in Kent last autumn. I was pleased to visit the secure school in September last year to see it for myself. The school is not yet where we or Oasis aspire for it to be, but I am encouraged by the commitment and passion of those involved. We need to ensure that it works as described in the appropriate challenge of hon. Members.
 Gareth Snell (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab/Co-op)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Gareth Snell (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab/Co-op) 
        
    
        
    
        The provision of 16 to 19 secure schools to ensure that young people have an opportunity to develop skills to prevent reoffending is absolutely something I welcome. Given that, however, I should declare my interest: I am chair of the all-party parliamentary group on sixth-form education. Given that 16 to 19 education now includes a lot of off-site learning for young people—such as through T-level placements or BTEC provision—can the Minister say how young people in a secure setting will be able to access the same educational opportunities as their equivalents in mainstream education?
 Sir Nicholas Dakin
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir Nicholas Dakin 
        
    
        
    
        My hon. Friend makes an important point. I am pleased that he chairs the APPG for sixth-form colleges, a group I previously chaired, relating back to my time leading a sixth-form college before I came to this place.
I had a roundtable with external providers on how to challenge our system in youth-offending institutions. The Oasis Restore school was represented, as was the Oakhill secure training centre. It is important that we ensure that the best practice available outside our youth custody estate is levered into what we do, so that we can get the very best for the young people. My hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central is right to press me and the Government on that point.
The Bill is necessary to ensure that specific provisions in the Academies Act 2010 are tailored to reflect the unique nature and needs of secure schools. The Government support the Bill on the basis that those amendments will provide for better and more integrated services. The Bill will enable the Government to prioritise value for money for the taxpayer and to have more flexibility should there be any need to terminate a funding agreement with a secure school provider.
We also have the opportunity to remove any unnecessary administrative burden and to help future secure schools to open with minimal delay. Engagement with local communities is a key part of the Ministry of Justice selection process for new custodial sites. The Bill will give providers the opportunity to engage their local community, ensuring a more constructive consultation process on how the secure school should work with local partners.
In closing, I reiterate my thanks to all those Members who have contributed to the debate, in particular my hon. Friend the Member for Cramlington and Killingworth for her promotion of this important Bill. I confirm the Government’s continued support.
 Emma Foody
    
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Emma Foody 
        
    
        
    
        I thank the Minister for those remarks and for the support of the Government. Similarly, I thank Members from across the House for their constructive remarks and for their support of the Bill. I also take the opportunity to thank all the Clerks and officials who have helped in the preparation and progress of the Bill. I thank you, Mr Mundell, for chairing this sitting.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1 accordingly ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Bill to be reported, without amendment.
(3 months, 2 weeks ago)
Commons ChamberThis text is a record of ministerial contributions to a debate held as part of the Secure 16 to 19 Academies Bill 2024-26 passage through Parliament.
In 1993, the House of Lords Pepper vs. Hart decision provided that statements made by Government Ministers may be taken as illustrative of legislative intent as to the interpretation of law.
This extract highlights statements made by Government Ministers along with contextual remarks by other members. The full debate can be read here
This information is provided by Parallel Parliament and does not comprise part of the offical record
 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Sir Nicholas Dakin)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Sir Nicholas Dakin) 
        
    
        
    
        The hon. Member for Christchurch (Sir Christopher Chope) focuses on the specific question of why this change should be made. It is very much a technical change. We have one secure school, the Oasis Academy in Kent, which I have visited. These secure schools are for young people who are sentenced to custody; they join the rest of the youth custodial estate, which includes three young offenders institutions and a secure training centre, as well as a YOI in Wales and some secure children’s homes.
It is a very discrete landscape. There is no competition with alternative provision or any other provision locally, because it would be inappropriate for a young person who was sentenced to custody to go into alternative provision, as they have to go to secure provision—that is, a young offenders institution or one of the other secure provisions, one of which is the secure school.
It was a bit of an oversight in the original legislation to use the term “consultation” about whether it should go ahead, because there is no competition in the locality. A more useful consultation would be about how, because there are issues about working with other partners, including partners that might provide alternative provision, and that is the most appropriate way of doing that.
I welcome the fact that my hon. Friend the Member for Cramlington and Killingworth (Emma Foody) has brought this Bill before us today. It seeks to make more sense of the legislation, so that it will be more effective for these particular young people and these particular places.
 Sir Christopher Chope
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir Christopher Chope 
        
    
        
    
        I am so grateful to the Minister. What a breath of fresh air that a Minister has actually answered my challenge and given an explanation! In the light of those circumstances, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Third Reading
 Sir Nicholas Dakin
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir Nicholas Dakin 
        
    
        
    
        I am very grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Cramlington and Killingworth (Emma Foody) for the excellent work she has done in bringing forward this important Bill and navigating us to this point. I am also grateful to the shadow Minister for his support and for his comments. I assure him that we will take forward the issues he rightly raises in due course.
In answer to the welcome scepticism from the hon. Member for Christchurch (Sir Christopher Chope), I can confirm that I wrote to the hon. Member for Spelthorne (Lincoln Jopp), and indeed copied in the rest of the Committee, pointing out that Oasis Restore had agreed to the rationale for reducing the notice period from seven years to two and for this change to be applied to their funding agreement. As a result, there will be no financial impact on the taxpayer. I picked up exactly the point that the hon. Member for Christchurch rightly raised; it has been dealt with.
Academies were first introduced by the Government of Sir Tony Blair, but the issues raised by the hon. Member for Christchurch about academies generally are matters for the Department for Education rather than me. I commend the Bill to the House and thank my hon. Friend the Member for Cramlington and Killingworth for bringing it forward.
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Lords ChamberThis text is a record of ministerial contributions to a debate held as part of the Secure 16 to 19 Academies Bill 2024-26 passage through Parliament.
In 1993, the House of Lords Pepper vs. Hart decision provided that statements made by Government Ministers may be taken as illustrative of legislative intent as to the interpretation of law.
This extract highlights statements made by Government Ministers along with contextual remarks by other members. The full debate can be read here
This information is provided by Parallel Parliament and does not comprise part of the offical record
 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice (Baroness Levitt) (Lab)
    
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice (Baroness Levitt) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, I thank noble Lords for the positive and constructive debate on this important subject, and I congratulate my noble friend Lord Bach on bringing forward the Bill. I have been particularly struck by the emphasis of all those who spoke, including the noble Earl, on the fact that these are children and not just mini criminals.
It is the sad reality, however, that a small number of children commit offences so serious that there is no option other than to deprive them of their liberty in order to protect the public. It is the Government’s responsibility to ensure that these children receive appropriate support in order to prepare them for their eventual release. We want to go further and ensure that when they leave a custodial setting, they are in a position to make a better life for themselves.
Secure 16 to 19 academies, also known as secure schools, offer an opportunity to transform the experience of children who are detained by the state, having been sentenced or remanded in custody by the courts, giving them the opportunity to gain skills and qualifications which will enable them to return to the community and lead successful and crime-free lives, thus protecting the public from them reoffending in the future. This is part of the route for damaged children—damaged usually through no fault of their own—to lead a better life, which is better for children and better for the public.
As noble Lords have observed, secure schools were already established by the Academies Act 2010, and the previous Government deserve credit for that. This Bill is necessary to ensure specific provisions in the Act are relevant to these new custodial settings. The Government support the Bill because these amendments will create better services and thus strengthen the impact of secure schools on the lives of those children within our justice system.
I turn briefly to why we need secure schools. The good news is that, as the noble Lord, Lord Bates, said, the number of children in custody under the age of 18 has fallen drastically in recent years. He said 80%. I wish I could agree with that—the figure may be a little lower, at 60%—but the point is still an important one. That is 60% fewer children in custody than there were a decade ago. I say that is good news because this Government agree with the last—that we should deprive children of their liberty only as a last resort. This decline in numbers has rightly been commended as a success of the youth justice system.
However, for children who commit the most serious crimes, there is often no alternative but to protect the public by detaining them in custody. These children, now in custody, are among the most complex and vulnerable in society. They also present with very challenging behaviour, and the majority have committed offences of violence. It is a sad and depressing fact that children leaving custody have some of the highest reoffending rates in the justice system. The latest statistics show that 66% of children released from custody go on to reoffend within a year.
The children in custody are much more likely than their peers to have had a disrupted education. Government analysis shows around 90% of children sentenced to custody had a record of persistent absence. This means these children have lost out on months or years of learning. As the noble Lord, Lord Bates, said, many of them have not been at school for the last years that they were required to be there, and therefore they have lost out on that.
The evidence is clear about the importance of education as a factor preventing children offending. Secure schools offer an opportunity for these children to re-engage with education and to make the most of their potential. The secure school model has been developed in accordance with the best available evidence for what works in addressing the underlying causes of youth offending. That is why secure schools will offer children small environments, as homelike as can be achieved, with healthcare and education at their heart. As has already been said by others, including by the noble Lord, Lord Bates, these are not “prisons with education”; they are primarily schools, but within a protective, secure environment.
In them, children and young people will engage with integrated care, health and education services, which—most importantly—will be tailored to their individual needs. On entry, each young person has a full assessment of their needs, which will establish a baseline against which progress is measured and ensure that any hitherto unmet health and special educational needs are identified.
As the noble Lord, Lord Addington, said, many studies, including recent reports, have shown that, among children in the youth justice system, a disproportional number have special educational needs or are neurodivergent. Each child will therefore receive a personalised programme to build on their strengths and develop their potential, with the use of evidence-based interventions to help them build resilience and develop vital life and social skills to help them in the future. Education will take place in appropriately sized groups, including one-to-one where needed.
Children in secure schools have the opportunity to make educational progress on a par with their peers in mainstream schools, but, self-evidently, that will have to be proportionate to the length of their sentence. Secure schools work closely with youth offending teams, education, health and other community service providers, as well as young people’s families where appropriate. Planning for resettlement will start when a young person enters a secure school and be adapted to support transition to the adult estate where appropriate.
I turn briefly to why the Government support the Bill. Secure schools are a key reform in youth custody that best fit the evidence of what works to reduce reoffending and, ultimately, to protect the public by ensuring that there are fewer victims of youth crime. As noble Lords have heard, the first secure school was opened in August 2024. Your Lordships’ House will be aware—the noble Lord, Lord Bates, and the right reverend Prelate alluded to this—that, unfortunately, the school is temporarily closed while repairs are being made to a number of doors on the site to ensure the children’s safety. We take this matter extremely seriously, and officials are working as hard as possible so that the site can reopen in early 2026.
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Bates, and the noble Earl for their acknowledgment that these early problems do not invalidate the whole system; they are issues from which the Government can and will learn to ensure that, when this is rolled out further, they will not be replicated. These early operational issues do not detract from the need to ensure that we have the most effective legislative basis for secure schools to operate in the future. By ensuring that secure schools function well, with proportionate termination measures and efficient processes for opening new schools, we can achieve that goal.
As my noble friend Lord Bach said, through the Bill we have an opportunity to enable government to prioritise value for money for the taxpayer while having more flexibility should there be any need to terminate a funding agreement with a secure school provider. As other noble Lords have pointed out, engagement with local communities is a key part of the Ministry of Justice selection procedure for new custodial sites. Should there be a need to open new custodial sites, that will be dealt with through the normal planning procedure. The point is that we will be able to talk about how the delivery is managed rather than whether the site should be opened at all. I take on board the right reverend Prelate’s observations about the importance of faith communities.
This Bill will give providers the opportunity to engage with their local community, ensuring a more constructive consultation process that will seek to consult on how the secure school should work with local partners. The noble Lord, Lord Bates, asked about the cost of that. I am afraid that I do not have the figures with me but will, if I may, write to him with them.
I reiterate my thanks to my noble friend Lord Bach for bringing the Bill before the House. I thank the noble Earl for the characteristic generosity and good humour in his response from the Opposition Benches. I confirm, with great pleasure, that the Government support this important Bill, and I look forward to its passage through this House. I urge colleagues across the House to give it their full support.