Engineering Skills (Perkins Review) Debate
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Peter Luff
I absolutely agree. Having come from an engineering background, the hon. Lady says that with much more effect than I canâpoliticsâ gain is engineeringâs loss. I am most grateful for her helpful and entirely correct remarks.
In a ten-minute rule Bill in February, I tried to be simple and focused. I wanted to increase demand from young people and to make them more enthusiastic about pursuing STEM subjectsâscience, technology, engineering and mathsâand careers, whether as apprentices or graduates; to inspire them about the possibilities in engineering, science and technology; to show them by practical example and experience while at school that engineering and technology are exciting and important careers; and then to sustain that interest throughout their time at school.
Some things have changed for the better since February. A new design and technology curriculum provides the opportunity for schools to work with businesses to deepen understanding of the realities of engineering, which was my first objective. I want to pay real tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for South West Norfolk (Elizabeth Truss), the Minister with responsibility for schools, for working with all groups involved to transform the Governmentâs original proposals. Sadly, I see fewer signs than I would like that the Department for Education really understands its role in helping young people to prepare for the world of work. Employers still sense reluctance at the Department for Education to regard schools, in the memorable phrase of my hon. Friend the Member for Gosport (Caroline Dinenage), who hoped to be here but is sadly indisposed, as part of the supply chain for industry.
I suspended my campaign on the policy suggestions in my Bill and said that I would wait for the Perkins review. It was due in July and sadly delayed to November, but it proved well worth waiting for. As I waited, I concentrated on two issues. The first was the need to do much, much more to inspire young people about the opportunities in engineering, and second was the need to counter the appalling gender stereotyping already discussed. I was therefore delighted to see those two issues considered so thoughtfully in John Perkinsâs review, but the response of the engineering community now needs to be clear and convincing and needs above all to take on the challenge of marketing engineering to young people, starting at primary school age.
I should step back a moment and offer categorical congratulations to Professor Perkins. Indeed, the Royal Academy of Engineering has encouraged me to offer a bouquet to Professor Perkins and the wider Department for Business, Innovation and Skills team
âfor conducting an exemplification of open policy making. John actively sought out the views of the engineering profession and created the conditions where institutions large and small could get their voices heard. It was brilliant work.â
It also offers a bouquet to the Department for Education, by the way, which, despite my earlier reservations, I do endorse,
âfor their reforms to Computing, D&T and vocational education and their willingness to take detailed advice from the engineering profession. The engagement on both sides has been excellent.â
Steve Holliday, chief executive officer of National Grid described the Perkins review to me as
âone of the best reports I have seen in quite some timeâ.
I agree with all that, but I want to examine one or two details with a critical eye. The royal academy offers the correct cautionary note:
âNone of this is easyâparticularly the things around diversityâand so on-going collaboration between Government and the engineering profession is key. Weâve had that during the periods of review and reform [good] and now the challenge is to find a mechanism to keep that going in the long term steady-state.â
We need an implementation plan from the Government and from the engineering community.
Against that background, I offer eight observations on areas of the report. The first is a particular bĂȘte noire of mine: the lack of attention to defence. The report is strangely silent on the wider security and national resilience issues caused by a shortage of British engineering talent. Defence and security face the greatest threats, as they often cannot use non-British labour on national security grounds. It is true that the bigger companies, such as BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce, have no problem recruiting as they are so well-known. They are now over-recruiting to their apprenticeship programmes to feed apprentices into their supply chains, which is welcome and good of them. Smaller companies, however, face huge challenges in finding the right skills. Organisations such as GCHQ are also challenged and need all the home-grown cyber-expertise they can find. I am delighted to be a member of the skills group of the defence growth partnership, and I hope to be able to play my part and to address some of the issues.
My second concern, at which I have already hinted, is that the age group recommended by Perkins is too old. We need to go younger. The National Foundation for Educational Research looked at features of the activities and interventions in schools that were most successful at improving young peopleâs engagement in STEM. It found that of the five most beneficial activities they identified, the first was to engage pupils at an early age and at key transition points. Indeed, the Perkins review actually says:
âIf we are going to secure the flow of talent into engineering, we need to start at the very beginningâŠStarting to inspire people at 16 years old is too late; choices are made, and options are closed off well before then. So we need purposeful and effective early intervention to enthuse tomorrowâs engineers.â
It is no accident that the âinspiring womenâ campaign, organised by Inspiring the Future and recently launched by Miriam Gonzalez, aims to start talking to girls at the age of 8, not 11 as Perkins recommends. A recent report from Kingâs College London on young peopleâs science and career aspirations said:
âEfforts to broaden studentsâ aspirations, particularly in relation to STEM, need to begin at primary school. The current focus of most activities and interventionsâat secondary schoolâis likely to be too little too late.â
Steve Holliday told me of his company:
âNational Gridâs current strategy is to âget in earlyâ by presenting engineering as a vibrant and viable career choice to a mixed culture and cross gender audience from the age of 8 years upwards.â
If hon. Members want to see a good video for encouraging people to get into STEM careers, I recommend the film produced by Nigel Whitehead of BAE Systems. I have the YouTube address here, but if hon. Members google âengineering careers and BAE Systemsâ, they will find it. I will happily share the link with anyone afterwards. Perkinsâs fifth recommendation to reach out
âparticularly to girls aged 11 to 14â
should be rethought. Eight is a much better age to begin.
My third concern is about female participation; the report contains insufficient detail on what we can do to address that problem.The Womenâs Business Councilâs report, âMaximising Womenâs Contribution to Future Economic Growthâ, makes the point that while women need work, work also needs women. Ford of Britain said to me:
âAbove all there is a need for stronger and more systematic collaboration between educators, industry, BIS and the Department for Education to improve both the reputation and the uptake of STEM subjects and engineering amongst girls.â
I agree with that and worry that, despite the damning evidence produced by Perkins, his recommendations fall well short of a credible path to do something about it. I am working with Science Grrl, a creative group of young professional women working in STEM, to produce specific recommendations to address the issue. We aim to produce a report in March. The Select Committee on Science and Technology, which is chaired by the hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston (Andrew Miller), is holding its own inquiry and will hopefully produce its report in the not-to-distant future. The Womenâs Engineering Society has some pretty clear and compelling advice to employers and schools, which I commend. We certainly need a clearer plan of action than that offered in Perkins.
The report fails to address the failure to engage local enterprise partnerships, whose potential contribution could and should have been addressed. As the Minister of State at BIS said in a recent written answer:
âAt local level, Local Enterprise Partnerships (LEPs) have the lead role in setting strategies for skills within their overall Strategic Economic Plansââ[Official Report, 8 October 2013; Vol. 568, c. 268W.]
I congratulate my hon. Friend on the excellent points he is making, and on the enormous impact he has already had on turning round the design and technology curriculum. Does he welcome the work going on in the Worcestershire local enterprise partnership to get local business, such as Worcester Bosch and Mazak, working with local schools to promote engineering at both primary and secondary level?
Peter Luff
I welcome the intervention from my hon. Friend, who is my own Member of Parliament. He is absolutely right that the Worcester LEP is doing all the right things, but I doubt whether that is necessarily the case in every LEP area. The Government need to do more to ensure that best practice is shared, even if they do not go down my preferred route of LEPs having a statutory responsibility to share it.
There is also the question of careers advice. Engineering fits into a bigger picture of careers advice in schools. Some interesting research from the Education and Employers Taskforce on NEETsâthose not in education, employment or trainingâwas recently drawn to my attention. It is actually two years old, but I only found out about it last week. It was published in February 2012 and asked young adults aged 19 to 24 about their current employment status, and to reflect on their experiences of the world of work while they were at school. The findings were striking. Of the young people who could recall no contact with employers while at school, 26.1% went on to become NEETs. That reduced significantly to 4.3% for those who had taken part in four or more activities involving employers such as career insights, mentoring, work tasters, work experience and so on. As Steve Holliday of National Grid puts it:
âBeyond the Perkins report, the final point I would make is that for the engineering sector to land its messages well, there needs to be a solid foundation of general careers advice/awareness in schoolsâŠThis will require a joined up strategy between DfE and BIS, with schools and business then having their part to play in making this a reality. I fear that without it, interventions will be too fragmented to make a real impact.â
That would be very serious.
On a slightly more positive note, the reportâs recommendations 12 and 13 on vocational education are valuable. The Royal Academy of Engineering offers this perspective:
âIn all of Johnâs work, probably the bit with the greatest potential for long term impact relates to apprenticeships. All critiques of âmodern apprenticeshipsâââ
those under this Government and the previous oneâ
âshow that not all have matched the generally accepted benchmark of the advanced engineering apprenticeship. And governmentâs response to the Richardsâ review promises to make even the engineering apprenticeship better. But the potential significance of those reforms is not obvious to most readers of the Perkins review. With cross-party consensus on apprenticeship, this is the time for a drive to quality outcomes and not just growth in apprenticeship startsââ
as welcome as those are.
âBritain could close the gap on the German dual system if she put her mind to itâ.
That is an important point for the Minister. I know he is working hard for this and I congratulate him on and thank him for all his work, but it is encouraging to see the Perkins review so welcomed by the engineering community in that respect. I would labour the point, but I want to make progress and leave time for others to speak.
Moving on to my final two related points, for something to happen, someone has to own the issue, and what is needed is a proper marketing campaign devised by experts, not the engineering of ever more elegant solutions by engineers. I am afraid that the Perkins team clearly did not speak to any marketing experts as they prepared their report. The recommendations under the heading âInspirationâ are helpful but, to be blunt, inadequate. Recommendations 3, 4 and 5 are well intentioned, but not informed by proper understanding of communications. They are recommendations by engineers to engineers. Recommendation 3, on core messages, is okay, and the fourth one, on support for the Tomorrowâs Engineers programme, is correct but limited. Recommendation 5, however, desperately needs to be strengthened.
Rightly directed at the Government and the engineering community, recommendation 5 is for a:
âHigh profile campaign reaching out to young people, particularly girls aged 11-14 years, with inspirational messages about engineering and diverse role models, to inspire them to become âTomorrowâs Engineersâ. The engineering community should take this forward as an annual event.â
For me, this recommendation is groping towards a definition of the central task, but it does not address the right age group and is too limited in its understanding of what is involved. Furthermore, remember that reference to an âannual eventâ. I repeat my profound concern that starting at 11 is simply too old. Girls in particular are being told at primary school that they do not do science, engineering and technology. We must address that problem. Rightly, the report states that
âwe need purposeful and effective early intervention to enthuse tomorrowâs engineersâ,
and that there are
âwidespread misconceptions and lack of visibility that deter young peopleâ.
The logic of those compelling points, however, has been pursued rigorously. A full, year-round marketing campaign is needed to address not only young peopleâprimarily eight to 14-year-oldsâbut their parents and teachers; all the other valuable initiatives can sit under that campaign, from which they will all benefit. There are literally thousands of such initiatives. The better known include Big Bang, Tomorrowâs Engineers, STEMNET, Primary Engineer, the 5% Club and Bloodhound SSC, as well as the programmes of individual companies, voluntary bodies, public sector organisations, trade associations and professional institutions. Much work has been done by Engineering UK to bring all those initiatives together under the Tomorrowâs Engineers banner, but we need to do much more to explain the overall message of engineering.
I am indebted to George Edwardsâhe is sitting not a million miles away from us in the Public Galleryâan 18-year-old A-level engineering student from Kent who told me just how bad things are. He had some suggestions to make:
âAs a student who has been on the receiving end of almost all of the engineering propaganda aimed at schools, 1 genuinely couldnât describe what I am supposed to think about a career in engineering. Other than the need for more engineers, there are no clear or pragmatic messages being put across and as the problem becomes of a higher agenda for the media, the response is just to shout louder about the need for engineers.
Outreach must have substance and peer-led inspirational marketing, targeted at appropriate age groupsâ.
He is absolutely right.
Professor Perkins correctly speaks of the need to inspire, which requires not engineering skills but marketing and communications professionalism. He says in his reportâs introduction that he has
âspoken toâŠindustrialists, professional bodies, and educators.â
Although he rightly concludes that inspiration is essential, he appears not to have spoken to people with the appropriate marketing skills to inspire eight to 14-year-olds. This leads him to a limited understanding of what is needed to address the problems he identifies.
The UK marketing sector, similar to engineering, is world class and noted as such by many leading global brands. It is time for engineers to stop engineering solutions to the skills issue and to turn to professional marketing, just as any other organisation, product or brand would. Perkins rightly says:
âWe should ensure thatâŠmessages are carefully crafted, based on the best available evidence about how to influence and communicate effectively with young people.â
I underline the point that this means working with marketing experts with proven expertise and success, not engineers. What engineers think is important might have no resonance at all with their audience.
The Government and the engineering community are both good at patting themselves on the back for all that they are doing. For exampleâI tread on dangerous ground hereâProfessor Perkins praises the Royal Academy of Engineeringâs STEPS at Work initiative because it reaches 1,300 teachers and enables them to spend a day with a local engineering employer. I bow to none in my admiration for the royal academy and the outstanding work of Matthew Harrison on such issues, but with respect to them and to Professor Perkins, that scheme is a well-intentioned failure, not a success. There are more than 400,000 teachers in the state sector aloneâcan engineering really boast that only a little more than 1,000 of them have been persuaded to spend just one day finding out more about local jobs for their students?
The report tells us that the majority of boys and girls have had no encouragement from anyone at allâparents, teachers or friendsâeven to consider engineering as a career.