Debates between Lord Winston and Viscount Camrose during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Tue 30th Jan 2024

Horizon Europe

Debate between Lord Winston and Viscount Camrose
Tuesday 30th January 2024

(9 months, 4 weeks ago)

Lords Chamber
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Viscount Camrose Portrait Viscount Camrose (Con)
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Yes, indeed. I very much recognise the value of the Horizon programme. Of course, any Horizon programme beyond the current one does not exist yet, except conceptually in the minds of all the current participants, but obviously we would look very favourably at participating as and when its terms were made clear.

Lord Winston Portrait Lord Winston (Lab)
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My Lords, until Brexit, it was clear that the United Kingdom was second only to the United States in research in science, engineering and medicine. Can the Minister be kind enough to tell the House what assessment the Government have made of the impact of the loss of the Horizon programme in terms of citations and publications?

Viscount Camrose Portrait Viscount Camrose (Con)
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As I have said in this House before, there is no doubt that our period of non-association with the Horizon programme did lasting damage. We have to focus now on repairing that damage. It is very difficult to put a number in currency on the value of that and I am not sure I would know where to begin. I absolutely acknowledge that the damage was real and is going to take a very conscious effort to fix.