Recognition of Professional Qualifications and Implementation of International Recognition Agreements (Amendment) (Extension to Switzerland etc.) Regulations 2024

Debate between Lord Leong and Lord Jones

Tuesday 17th December 2024 Grand Committee

[Baroness Garden of Frognal (LD)]

My Lords, in the absence of anybody else, I thank the Minister very much for setting out so clearly these regulations. Over the years, I have been involved in all manner of discussions about recognition of vocational and professional qualifications. I have never come across a regulation as clearly good as this one. It seems to be totally uncontroversial. It is broad, is it not? It covers Lords, pilots, osteoporosis people and all sorts of interesting professions. My briefing said that no speech was required but I cannot resist saying that we on these Benches fully support this measure.

[Lord Jones (Lab)]

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his informative remarks, made in the most clear and precise tones imaginable. I acknowledge also my appreciation of the manner in which these regulations have been drawn up and the helpfulness of the Explanatory Memorandum.

With regard to the Explanatory Memorandum, at paragraph 4.2 there is reference to aptitude tests. Do the Minister’s officials have any idea how many such aptitude tests are taken annually, and what has been the situation on those tests in Wales? Is there a record in the department?

Do these regulations particularly apply to medicine? It is clearly of importance when the NHS and private medicine are considered. What are the major professions that come under these regulations, not simply medicine?

I should like to ask about Wales specifically. At paragraph 4.5, I am looking at the “territorial scope” and it is clear that Wales is separate. Is that the case for other nations? How many regulations are undertaken by the Welsh Government? Is there assistance to Wales in the making of regulations of this kind and if there is, what is the nature of that assistance? Is it by officials only? Do Ministers meet face to face, from one Parliament to another? Is it otherwise down the line, or is it simply a set of regulations totally made in Wales by Welsh Senators and Welsh Ministers?

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

My Lords, I am grateful for the support from the noble Baroness, Lady Garden of Frognal, and for the contribution made by my noble friend Lord Jones. I will come to my noble friend’s questions. I will try to answer everything but if I do not cover all his questions, I will definitely write to him.

As regards the aptitude test, most of the regulators operate autonomously, so it is up to individual regulators to manage the various assessments. The aptitude test will be covered by the respective regulators themselves. Currently, these regulations cover over 200 profession but some of the royal-chartered professions, such as accountancy and engineering, are not covered by them. My noble friend Lord Jones asked how many people had taken the aptitude test in Wales and how they managed it. I am afraid I do not have the answer and will have to write to him.

As I have set out, the regulations implement the UK-Switzerland recognition of professional qualifications agreement. They require regulators to operate routes to recognition for comparable Swiss professional qualifications, in accordance with the agreement. They give powers to regulators to recognise comparable qualifications where necessary. The regulations provide certainty for professionals and UK service sectors, allowing them to continue to access smooth and transparent routes to recognition once the citizens’ rights agreement provisions expire at the end of this year. As Switzerland is also passing legislation requiring Swiss regulators to recognise UK qualifications, these benefits are reciprocal.

As I have emphasised, these regulations continue to uphold the principle of regulator autonomy as set out in the Professional Qualifications Act 2022. Departmental officials have also engaged extensively with regulators and the devolved Governments throughout the implementation of this agreement. I trust that noble Lords understand and recognise the need for these regulations and the benefits that they will bring to the UK’s services trade. Once again, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions, and commend these draft regulations to the Committee.