Independent Commission on Adult Social Care

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean Excerpts

Tuesday 22nd July 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Blake of Leeds (Lab)]

My noble friend raises an important point. I would stretch that out to talk about the care market’s sustainability. The whole system is in real difficulty, not least because of the funding taken away from local authorities over the past 14 years. Local authorities have had difficulties in sustaining provision. Of course, the whole market needs to be looked at so that we can find the most cost-effective and efficient ways forward which benefit the most people from the most vulnerable cohort in our society.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

My Lords, the Minister is absolutely right about the problems for local authorities, which are spending some three-quarters of their budgets on social care, with the result that core services are being cut. She said that there is no consensus on this matter, but the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee produced a report that was accepted throughout the House and was unanimous in its position, like so many other reports that have been produced.

Can the Minister admit that the problem is the Treasury and the cost, and the refusal to understand that money spent on social care will mean less cost to and take the burden off the health service? I am afraid that kicking this into touch for three years with the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, is yet another example of the Treasury playing for time and not being prepared to face up to the realities facing the most vulnerable and elderly people in our country.

[Baroness Blake of Leeds (Lab)]

The noble Lord raises the point about consensus. I did not mean to offend anyone in this House if the report came to consensus, but the fact is that there was a feeling, particularly in the other place, that the work could not be put on to the statute book. That is where we have the problem. We have to make sure we move forward, but I reassure noble Lords that we are not talking about putting everything on hold for three years. The noble Baroness’s interim report will look at things we can do now. In the next couple of years, we will look at the longer-term issues, particularly, as the noble Lord quite rightly said, around longer-term funding. I have faith that the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, will do a thorough job engaging with all parties and outside interests, and come up with a way forward.