Debates between Lord Falconer of Thoroton and Lord Wolfson of Tredegar during the 2024 Parliament

Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Debate between Lord Falconer of Thoroton and Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
Lord Falconer of Thoroton Portrait Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Lab)
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I am not sure whether the noble Lord is asking that in the context of giving information or of doing it negligently. The effect of Clause 33(2) is that nothing prevents the obligation on the doctor to act with reasonable care towards the patient. If, carelessly, the doctor failed to set out all the risks or maladministered the assistance, either the patient or the estate of the patient would have a claim against that doctor for negligence. There might be a dependency claim as well.

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar Portrait Lord Wolfson of Tredegar (Con)
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I am sorry, but I think the noble and learned Lord has not quite picked up the noble Lord’s point. Of course, if the doctor does not explain it properly, or if the doctor maladministers the drug, there is liability in tort. As I understood the point being put, the doctor has explained it properly and the patient has administered the drug properly under supervision, but the patient has not died and is writhing around, for example. What is the doctor then meant to do, consistent with their duty of care to the patient? As I understand it, that is the question. I do not know the answer, but that, I think, at least is the question.

Lord Falconer of Thoroton Portrait Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Lab)
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In response to the question from the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, regarding the complications, that has to be agreed in advance. I did not think that that was the question from the noble Lord, Lord Stevens.

Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Debate between Lord Falconer of Thoroton and Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
Baroness Coffey Portrait Baroness Coffey (Con)
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I thank the noble and learned Lord for his extensive responses. They reflect that “ensure” and “take reasonable steps” are actually different in law compared with what is expected. I am grateful to him for saying that he will not press his amendments in Committee and that he will allow us the opportunity to meet him and others to discuss some of these issues, where we think the provisions go beyond what might be considered legal drafting. I am slightly concerned that the Government did not reply to one particular aspect, but I will take that up separately with the Minister. But with that, I beg leave to withdraw—

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar Portrait Lord Wolfson of Tredegar (Con)
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Before my noble friend sits down, I wonder whether the noble and learned Lord might take the opportunity to respond to the point I put to him on confirming the drafting of that amendment. He must have overlooked it.

Lord Falconer of Thoroton Portrait Lord Falconer of Thoroton (Lab)
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That is in the notes, but I will write to the noble Lord on that.