Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Debate between Lord Carlile of Berriew and Lord Hamilton of Epsom

Committee stage
Friday 27th February 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Carlile of Berriew (CB)]

I have listened to two and a quarter hours of debate on this group. I was not really intending to speak, but I am afraid I cannot resist an “I told you so” moment. I am speaking not because I was name-checked by a number of noble Lords in various parts of the House, but because I think it important to emphasise the background for that name-checking.

First, we have been focusing on the appointment of the commissioner, looking only at Clause 4. I say in credit to the noble and learned Lord that it looks as though a large number of your Lordships have not read Schedule 1 to the Bill, because it is an absolute clear fact and matter of law that if the appointment of the voluntary assisted dying commissioner under Clause 4 was done improperly and not objectively, it would immediately be opened to a host of judicial review cases, which would be brought by every interested party or group looking at this issue.

I want to say something quite different, and here comes my “I told you so” moment. Some noble Lords may just about recall that, early in Committee, I proposed Amendment 120, which proposed returning to a court-based model architecture for the Bill: among others, the noble Baroness, Lady Coffey, referred to that earlier. If we were to follow the provisions of Amendments 120 and 137, which would remove Clause 4(4)(b), (c) and (d), we would have a clear, court-based procedure. Amendment 120 could of course be improved, and I think I am going to be given some facilities by the noble and learned Lord to talk to officials in the near future about that and how it might be designed, but it would mean that the voluntary assisted dying commissioner would then have a much more limited role, which would be to monitor the operation of the Act, receive documents under the Act and report, just as other independent reviewers report, on functions that they are placed in some position of authority over.

I suggest to the Committee that we would not need to have spent the last two and a quarter hours having the debate we have had if we had that simple architecture, which would inspire the confidence of being supported by the courts, knowing that this would be subject to normal court, appeal and evidential procedures. Maybe we should come back to that at a later stage. I hope that the noble and learned Lord may change his mind about that once he considers carefully and in detail what has happened this morning.

[Lord Hamilton of Epsom (Con)]

My Lords, I would like to address the issue of mission creep. I have tabled amendments that come so late in the procedure that I do not think we will ever reach them, but I am concerned that the Bill, if it becomes an Act of Parliament, will morph into something entirely different from what we have all voted on.

I have a confession to make. I voted in the early 1980s for amendments to Lord Steel’s Abortion Bill, which went through at that stage. One of the concerns we had with that Bill was that it would morph into abortion on demand, and abortion on demand was not what we voted for in Parliament. We therefore have to be reassured that this Bill will not do the same thing. I am very concerned that, if it morphed into a euthanasia Bill, we would have a consultant in geriatrics walking through a ward saying, “I want to see those three people in those beds dead by the morning because there’s a bed-blocking issue”, and so forth. I am sure that nobody in the House wants to see the Bill become a euthanasia Bill.

Can we have an explanation from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, about what happened to the Abortion Bill and why it morphed, without Parliament having any input whatever, into abortion on demand? I am concerned that it might happen with this Bill as well, under the commissioner whom we are talking about. What checks can Parliament have to ensure that the Bill does not go down the same road as the Abortion Act?

Holocaust Memorial Bill

Debate between Lord Carlile of Berriew and Lord Hamilton of Epsom

Committee stage
Tuesday 4th March 2025 Grand Committee

[Lord Carlile of Berriew (CB)]

I did not quote the noble Lord.

[Lord Hamilton of Epsom (Con)]

I did.

[Lord Carlile of Berriew (CB)]

Oh, it was you.