Debates between Lord Blair of Boughton and Lord Swinfen during the 2015-2017 Parliament

Wed 26th Oct 2016
Policing and Crime Bill
Lords Chamber

Committee: 2nd sitting (Hansard - part one): House of Lords & Committee: 2nd sitting (Hansard - part one): House of Lords

Policing and Crime Bill

Debate between Lord Blair of Boughton and Lord Swinfen
Committee: 2nd sitting (Hansard - part one): House of Lords
Wednesday 26th October 2016

(8 years, 1 month ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Blair of Boughton Portrait Lord Blair of Boughton
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Perhaps I may intervene again—and again I declare my interest as a former commissioner. The mailbox of the Metropolitan Police is pretty large and contains lots of complaints about the fact that the commissioner has failed to do something. The commissioner is probably blissfully unaware of thousands of complaints. Is it being suggested that, every time somebody says, “I wish to complain about the Commissioner of Police of the metropolis because Constable Such and Such did not put a ticket on a car outside my house”, that is a complaint against the commissioner? It would be the same for chief constables.

There is a sense here that we are losing sight of the scale of the mailbox. There is a famous story of one of my predecessors who came from outside the force finding out that not all letters that were addressed to the commissioner came to his office. A week later, he realised why—when the mailbags fell in through the door. There has to be a level of reasonableness and, at the moment, I am not hearing that reasonableness. I am hearing the idea that everything will be sent to the IPCC or investigated by another chief constable. We could block the entire system unless we get a degree of reasonableness—and I am not sure where that is going to appear. I put that surmise to the Minister.

Lord Swinfen Portrait Lord Swinfen (Con)
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Will my noble friend look at the practicality of the matter, which has been so well explained?