Debates between Lisa Nandy and Dominic Raab during the 2010-2015 Parliament

Wed 4th Feb 2015

UK Poverty

Debate between Lisa Nandy and Dominic Raab
Wednesday 4th February 2015

(9 years, 10 months ago)

Westminster Hall
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Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Dominic Raab (Esher and Walton) (Con)
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I will be as quick as I can, Mr Crausby, and try to stick to your time limit. First, I welcome the debate, even though the hon. Member for Wigan (Lisa Nandy) made a number of political points—

Lisa Nandy Portrait Lisa Nandy
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How does he know? He wasn’t here.

Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Raab
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I was here for the end of the hon. Lady’s speech—[Interruption.] I would be happy to take an intervention from her if she wants to make a point of substance, but we are very pressed for time.

Lisa Nandy Portrait Lisa Nandy
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Raab
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Not at the moment—I said on a point of substance.

The key point is the systemic challenges that our economy faces. The fact is that our economy sank to 13th place from fourth place on the global competitiveness rankings, and has now climbed steadily but surely back up to 10th. That is the reason why we have job creation at a record high. If we really care about not just the economy but the most socially disfranchised, we have to care about the unemployed—the most vulnerable in our society.

Lisa Nandy Portrait Lisa Nandy
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Raab
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I am not going to; I will make some progress. The hon. Lady spoke for a considerable amount of time and we are very pressed for time. Unemployment has fallen from 8% to 5.8%. Youth unemployment is down. Overall, there are 1.7 million more people in work. If we care about the most vulnerable in our society, that is the critical section of society.

Lisa Nandy Portrait Lisa Nandy
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Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Raab
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I will—briefly.

Lisa Nandy Portrait Lisa Nandy
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I was simply about to say to the hon. Gentleman that had he been here for my speech and not been 45 minutes late, he would have heard that many of the families whose stories I recounted for those who were present are actually in work, or were in work when those problems arose. A story that he missed was about one of my constituents who was sanctioned for three months for being four minutes late for an appointment. The hon. Gentleman was 45 minutes late for the debate, and he does not seem to have suffered any adverse repercussions at all.

Dominic Raab Portrait Mr Raab
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I was following the debate, but unfortunately I was in a Committee, and I did give advance warning to Mr Crausby.

The key point that the hon. Lady needs to address is that all the policies that the Labour party is coming up with will stifle job creation. I gently point out to her that in her constituency, according to the House of Commons Library, unemployment doubled between 2005 and 2010, but has fallen by 63% between 2010 and the present day. Frankly, those facts tell us everything we need to know. When it comes to income tax—[Interruption.] She might want to listen as well as speak, because this is a debate, and I have listened very carefully to what she was saying—[Interruption.]