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Points of Order

Julian Lewis Excerpts
Monday 17th March 2014

(10 years, 9 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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I was not present at the time, but I am advised by a very high—even bewigged, dare I say—authority that the matter was dealt with at the time, and that there is no particular merit in going back over the incident, as far as I am aware. However, I say to the hon. Gentleman that Members are free to write to me at any time if they feel that there has been an impropriety or a breach of protocol. The matter should be treated on its merits. It is the case—[Interruption.] Order. It is the case that vote should follow voice. That is a very long-established principle. Vote should not go in opposition to voice.

John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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The hon. Gentleman is gesticulating in an eccentric fashion, but we will come to him in a moment.

John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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I thank the hon. Lady for what she has said. I know that she always seeks to be helpful to the House, and I always listen to her.

Julian Lewis Portrait Dr Lewis
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Further to that point of order, Mr Speaker. I apologise for my eccentric gesticulations, but one cannot change the habit of a lifetime. I speak as one who, within living memory, may have been guilty of that practice in getting what we considered to be a rather important vote on Syria on the record. If it is decided that the practice is unsuitable and should never be repeated, when there is an important Back-Bench debate on which there needs to be a vote to make the public well aware of the opinion of the House, and the Government choose for technical reasons to advise everyone to abstain, are there other mechanisms available that would enable that vote to be called?

John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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For a moment I thought that, not for the first time, the hon. Gentleman had foxed me. I am sorry to disappoint him, but his point is not quite as powerful, or his inquiry as penetrating, as he imagined. The short answer to his question is yes. There is a simple mechanism by which a Member who is anxious to ensure that the will of the House is tested can see to it that it is, and that is the mechanism of putting in Tellers. That is a different matter from registering a vote in opposition to what the voice has said.

Hon. Members: He should join the Labour party.
Julian Lewis Portrait Dr Lewis
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I did that once before.

John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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The hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis) says that he did that once before, but I think he was operating under cover at the time.