NHS (Contracts and Conditions)

Debate between Jo Churchill and Victoria Prentis

Monday 14th September 2015 Westminster Hall

[Jo Churchill (Bury St Edmunds) (Con)]

We have a wonderful resource in the national health service, but it cannot be preserved in aspic. I am lucky enough to have been treated by these wonderful consultants, which is why I am here. Society and medical technologies are changing at an alarming pace. The importance of the central asset of NHS staff cannot be overestimated, and the interest from my colleagues today shows how much Government Members value them. I am the daughter of a nurse, and I am the mother of a health professional. I get berated long and hard on how tough things were, as my hon. Friend the Member for Lewes (Maria Caulfield) alluded to, and how tough things are. That is a constant state, but let us be realistic: there will be a deficit this year of enormous proportions. Rather than throw in yet another figure, we know the deficit is large, and we know it is a problem.

Do I believe the premise of this petition? No. Important decisions have to be made if we are to focus on the primary need of patient outcomes. The question is how we treat people efficiently, effectively and with compassion. Hospital managers and consultants may say that the changes will deliver a 21st-century model of care that will safeguard both the patient interest and the cost-effectiveness of services, but that is quite wordy and is making everything the same problem. We do not all have the same problem. I completely concur with my hon. Friend the Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) on rural GPs. There are rural GPs in my constituency who are already feeling stretched, and asking them to deliver two more days of cover—seven days in total—with no more staff is not the answer. We must link training and recruitment, and we must work on a delivery mechanism that means not only the 5,000 extra GPs that we have promised but less box-ticking to free up their time, which would not go amiss. It has been said that we do not have enough GPs, but it takes five years to train a GP. Anyone who starts university now will not be qualified by the end of this Parliament. We are dealing with the legacy of the tail end of the Labour Government, which is one reason why we do not have enough doctors.

I am from a business background, and I ask simply how we can do more with less. Do I believe that the way to achieve better care in our hospital settings is not to have access to seven-day patient services? No, I do not. Do I think that if a child is knocked off their bike on a Saturday or a dad has a heart attack on a Sunday, doctors and nurses should struggle to deliver optimal service without the important back-up of diagnostic services? No, I do not. Why is it that, although an acute bed costs about £900 a night, patients in our hospitals cannot be admitted or discharged as easily on Saturdays and Sundays as on Mondays and Thursdays? One problem is that we cannot discharge. It is not all about who is coming in the front door; it is also about who is going out the back door. It is a real strain.

[Victoria Prentis (Banbury) (Con)]

My local trust, Oxford University Hospitals trust, has recently started a “perfect week” scheme, in which it makes all resources available to all those who work in the hospital system. It has discovered that one main barrier to discharge on Saturdays and Sundays is that pharmaceutical staff are not available at all hours of the day and night. Would it be possible to roll out that concept of a perfect week elsewhere?

[Jo Churchill]

It is a very good idea. The lack of pharmacy provision in hospitals is often cited as one obstacle to patient discharge. The cost of not discharging someone on a Friday, meaning that they use a bed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, is £2,700, which is a lot of money.