English Devolution

Debate between Earl of Devon and Baroness Taylor of Stevenage

Thursday 19th December 2024 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Taylor of Stevenage (Lab)]

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his questions. This is about real devolution of powers and funding, and there are real benefits there to those who take up the offer. The earlier they start to get established, the more powers they will be able to take on. That is a really important step for councils to take.

In terms of the letter, I have looked closely at it and it is asking for expressions of interest only by 10 January. For those who want to move quickly, we will ask them to submit their proposals by May—that is, full proposals for reorganisation and devolution. For those who want to move more slowly, they can do that at their own pace. We would hope to get proposals across the board by autumn this year.

[The Earl of Devon (CB)]

My Lords, as a feudal hereditary being thrown out of Westminster, I am quite excited at the prospect of devolution. I have been Earl of Devon for 10 years and, in that role, have tried to understand how local government works across Devon. It is complicated and very difficult, with eight district councils, two unitaries, a county council, et cetera. I was with Exeter City Council on Monday as the announcement was being made, and people there were incredibly uncertain as to the implications for the city council and their plans going forward. Lots of people across the region are confused about the implications of this.

There is so much work to be done at local government level, not least the 1.5 million new homes—and later we are going to debate economic development. I am concerned that, with yet another change in local government, and another step in devolution, people simply will not understand where they have recourse and how it works. I still do not understand it, and I wonder what effort the Government will make to inform people, educate them and make sure that local people really feel that they understand what is happening.

[Baroness Taylor of Stevenage (Lab)]

I thank the noble Earl. I have already started a series of meetings with councils in local areas to understand where they are with this programme. I am happy to meet with any of them, so, if he wants to encourage his colleagues in Devon to meet me, I would be more than happy to do so. I shall take back to the department the comments that the noble Lord, Lord Jamieson, and the noble Earl have made about the letter, and see whether we feel that any further clarification should be made.

Of course, there will be a programme of communication with the public, but the point about this is that it is a White Paper, so it is for consultation. If there are points in it that need clarification, I urge people to get in touch with the department, because we want to get people’s responses to this and, if there are elements that need clarifying before people feel that they can respond, we are happy to do our best to clarify those—so I do urge people to contact myself or the department.

New Homes

Debate between Earl of Devon and Baroness Taylor of Stevenage

Wednesday 11th December 2024 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Taylor of Stevenage (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend. He is right, to the extent that we recognise the constraints. We spent a lot of time early in government identifying what they were, working with the sector. We expect housebuilding activity to double in four years, but the supply of construction materials would need to increase by only about 20% to meet the demand, because housebuilding makes up only about 20% of the construction sector. We expect demand for construction products primarily used in housing, such as bricks, and green tech, such as PV panels and heat pumps, to increase at a high rate, and we see that as an opportunity for great British innovators to get going and improve the supply chains with us.

[The Earl of Devon (CB)]

My Lords, during the passage of the Environment Act we introduced the excellent principle of biodiversity net gain. In Committee we voiced concerns over the lack of qualified BNG assessors both in the private sector and, more importantly, in local government. The Minister—the noble Lord, Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park—assured me that the markets would provide. I was sceptical then, and I am sceptical now, given local government finances. What update can the Minister provide us on the availability of those qualified to assess biodiversity net gain?

[Baroness Taylor of Stevenage (Lab)]

We are increasing the support for the planning system, but the specific point about biodiversity net gain assessors is, I appreciate, a different issue. We expect that planning officers will take a role in this, but we need a specific increase in BNG assessors, so if I may I will reply to the noble Earl in writing on that matter.