Financial Services and Markets Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

Report stage
Wednesday 9th September 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

My Lords, Amendment 98 would remove Clause 50, thus returning us to the broad principle that we raised in our discussions on Clause 3, which led to a majority of 81 in a vote on its deletion. Clause 50 will allow the Treasury to amend or repeal primary legislation without introducing another Bill, which is another Henry VIII power. We need clarity from the Minister about how the Government envisage the power will be used. Our concern is that it goes further than technical housekeeping, as the text of the clause gives Ministers a broad and potentially permanent power to amend or repeal primary legislation, including devolved legislation, without the full scrutiny afforded to a Bill. I am grateful for the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles. In the absence of a satisfactory reply, I am minded to test the opinion of the House.

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I have signed this amendment because there are bad things in this Bill and I do not want any more of them.

Financial Services and Markets Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

Report stage
Monday 7th September 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

My Lords, I am honoured to open our discussions on Report on the Financial Services and Markets Bill, which we support in general but seek to improve. I congratulate the Minister on his new position and thank him for his engagement. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord Stockwood, whom I am glad to see in his place, and other noble Lords for their constructive approach in six expert Committee sessions. Despite the scale of the Bill and the complexity of the subject, we also ran to time—to the satisfaction, I hope, of the noble Lord, Lord Wilson of Sedgefield. As it is the first day on Report, I declare my registered interest in Meta and Amazon.

This is a large group of amendments, reflecting the anxiety of many of us over the excessive use of delegated powers and the uncertainty this creates in the modernisation of consumer credit law—a move we support. I am moving Amendment 1 to Clause 1, but I intend to focus my remarks on the final amendments in this group: Amendment 93 and Amendments 100 to 103, in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Altrincham, whom I also thank for his work on this Bill.

I hope these amendments might provide a compromise. They address one of the most serious concerns that we and noble Lords across the House have raised about the approach taken in the Bill: the question of how we preserve meaningful parliamentary oversight as increasingly significant powers are transferred away from primary legislation and into the regulatory model established by the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000. That Act was passed when we were still in the European Union, with scrutiny of new areas of regulation in the European Parliament and at ECON, the committee chaired by the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles. Post-Brexit, there is a democratic gap and therefore a huge task for the Treasury Committee in the Commons and the Financial Services Regulation Committee in your Lordships’ House, which is so well chaired by my noble friend Lady Noakes.

We recognise that there are considerable advantages to the FSMA model: greater regulatory flexibility can allow the framework to respond quickly to changing markets, new technologies and innovation. In areas such as consumer credit, the industry itself has argued that moving away from parts of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 could make the regime simpler and less costly to operate. However, flexibility must not come at the expense of accountability. The effect of the Bill is to place considerable trust in the Treasury and, ultimately, the regulators to use their new powers proportionately, effectively and with sufficient clarity for both consumers and industry. Yet we simply do not know what the regulatory landscape will look like once these provisions have been commenced.

These amendments propose a simple and practical safeguard: before the relevant powers are brought into force, the Treasury would publish and lay before Parliament a report explaining how it expects them to be used. The requirement would apply both where the new areas of regulation are being transferred to the FCA, the PRA or the Bank of England, and where the Bill creates significant new powers. This includes: consumer credit regulation, currently provided for under the Consumer Credit Act 1974; payment systems; anti-money laundering supervision transferring from existing professional and industry bodies; the powers relating to overseas recognition regimes; and the new powers under Clause 46 concerning crypto assets. As will be apparent, many of these powers are presently in primary legislation. There is a further problem with the excessive powers on access to banking in Clause 3, but we will come on to discuss a different solution to that in group 2.

The transparency that would be achieved by our proposed approach would benefit not only Parliament but consumers and industry. Greater clarity before commencement should mean better scrutiny, greater certainty and better regulation. I hope the Minister will recognise these amendments for what they are: a constructive, workable and proportionate compromise on an issue that has plagued our discussions on the Bill because of the sheer scale of change envisaged. They preserve the flexibility that the Government say they need while introducing a modest but meaningful mechanism of parliamentary accountability.

I would be grateful if the Minister could set out what assurance the Government can give that Parliament will receive this kind of information before these significant powers are brought into effect. If we do not receive sufficient comfort from the Government, I reserve the right to test the opinion of the House on Amendment 93 and its consequentials on Wednesday. Finally, I thank other noble Lords for their amendments in this group and look forward to hearing from them. I beg to move.

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I will speak to my non-diminution Amendments 2 and 3, and to Amendments 4 and 5, which stem from them. In Committee, the Government made it clear that they wish to remove tail risk for firms—a theme running through the changes to the CCA and FOS. I agree that issues such as font sizes and business practices need updating—I would certainly prefer not to have to agree instantly to a garbled recitation of terms and conditions over the phone just to access basic service contracts—but the Consumer Credit Act is fundamentally about protecting consumers from bad corporate behaviour. Aside from the much-cited font issue, tail risk usually arises from bad behaviour that simply takes a long time to surface. There is no justifiable reason for remedy to disappear.

Although I see the attractions of using the FCA framework, I do not accept that there should be a time limit after which bad behaviour is insulated from rectification, or that protections requiring judicial remedy might fall away—over which there is no current certainty. That is the purpose of my non-diminution amendments: to allow modernisation, but not at the cost of significant consumer rights.

A long-standing defect in the CCA illustrates the point: the Act was drafted in 1974, before securitisation existed. As a result, consumer credit has been sold on in ways that mean that the statutory definition, and thus obligations, of the lender no longer apply. This was a happenstance of financial evolution, not intentional design, yet it seriously degrades a regulated product and directly created the modern mortgage prisoner problem that my noble friend Lord Sharkey has brought to this House more than once. One can foresee the same happening with student loans once they are sold off.

The solution is straightforward. Whenever any right stemming from lending or credit is exercised, including the setting, levying or collecting of interest, the corresponding obligations must travel with that right. That must hold even where responsibilities are split across multiple entities under securitisation structures that currently allow each actor to claim it is not the statutory lender. This is entirely consistent with the CCA’s original assignment provisions, and we have precedent, because the MCOB rules already require obligations to follow the exercise of rights in mortgage services.

This principle works. We explained it to the previous Minister and officials before the summer, providing copies of my first amendment and documentary explanation. I recognise there have been changes on the Government’s side, but it is regrettable that there has been no engagement since, especially as collaborative working on good ideas was a stated commitment of the new Prime Minister.

Some may ask: who loses? The answer is that no one suffers unjustified loss. When a regulated consumer product is transferred, the protections attached to it must remain intact rather than be severed, whether by design or accident. For consumer credit, this simply maintains existing rights or, in the case of mortgage prisoners, restores them prospectively. But they had those rights when they took the mortgages out.

Taking the same principle to student loans, once sold into the private financial system, they must carry with them the standards of respectable financial products. Borrowers must be protected from predatory interest rates and, under international accounting rules, when projected non-repayment exceeds 50%, the entire corpus of loans, not just the unpaid part, is pulled on to national debt metrics. Allowing predatory interest rates simply deepens that problem.

This is the logic behind this family of amendments. I urge the Minister to engage constructively as the Bill progresses. As he will know, when I have a principled solution in my sights, it does not go away, because it rests on my conscience, as it should on his.

Financial Services and Markets Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

Committee stage
Wednesday 1st July 2026 Grand Committee

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, the Committee will be pleased to know that this will be very short. I will speak briefly to my Amendment 122, which is quite simple. It is intended to encourage the sharing of analysis, findings, information and judgments between the FCA and the PRA, particularly in relation to senior appointments, regulatory and supervisory activity and enforcement. The amendment would not make this binding in any way; it would apply only in so far as it is reasonable to do so and the regulators want to do so. The objective is to remove duplication and give encouragement to the regulators to rely on one another’s work where that is sensible.

I have not looked recently at their memorandum of understanding; they probably have enabled themselves to do some of this, but I am not sure that that enablement has extended to actually doing it. This meshes with some of the other amendments we have had around not duplicating things. If a person has already been approved as fit and proper by one regulator, why would they not be approved by another regulator to do the same thing?

However, I would not expect this to be done blindly or without review. It goes to what I said: everything should be tried to avoid unnecessary duplication, because duplications are leading to delays. This could help to shorten approval times under the SMCR for tried and tested individuals and to align rules or processes where the underlying purpose is the same. It is a modest, practical amendment aimed at reducing friction and delay in areas where both regulators are already engaged. I look forward to hearing from the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, and the noble Lord, Lord Altrincham, on Amendment 166, which tilts in the same direction, to some extent. I beg to move.

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, for bringing forward Amendment 122. I will speak to Amendment 166 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Altrincham. I know that we are all very excited by the result in the football but, as the Minister knows, this is an area of great concern to me, so I will make the case.

In our discussions with firms, we have repeatedly heard that regulation has accumulated over many years in a way that is often overlapping and unnecessarily complex. Firms are required to repeat similar information to different bodies, in slightly different formats, at different times and through different systems. They are expected to absorb new rules and expectations while older requirements remain in place. The result is a regulatory environment that becomes heavier and more expensive over time. This affects not just large institutions but smaller firms, new entrants and challengers, which do not have the same compliance teams, legal budgets or administrative capacity as the largest incumbents.

Amendment 122 raises an important point in this regard. Where both the FCA and the PRA are dealing with the same firm, it is sensible that they should be able to rely on one another’s analysis, findings, information and judgments where it is reasonable to do so. Our Amendment 166 follows the same principle but would apply it more broadly. It would require the Treasury, the FCA and the PRA, when exercising powers under the Bill, to have regard to minimising the overall regulatory burden on regulated persons. That burden is not only the direct cost of complying with a new rule; it includes administrative burdens, reporting requirements, the costs of delay and the disproportionate impact that regulation can have on smaller firms and new entrants. If the Treasury, the FCA or the PRA considered that an increase in burden were necessary, our amendment would require them to publish reasons and an assessment of the expected effects on growth, competition, innovation and market entry.

Regulation should be judged by its practical economic effects. Does it make it harder for firms to grow? Does it reduce competition? Does it deter new entrants? Does it slow innovation? Does it make the UK a less attractive place to do business? Those questions matter because financial services are an internationally competitive sector, as we keep emphasising. If we allow our regulatory environment to become too complex, too expensive and too slow, firms and capital will go elsewhere.

The Bill is presented as part of a wider effort to make our regulatory framework more competitive and more supportive of growth, which we support. Amendment 166 would help make that ambition real. It would require the Government and regulators to keep the burden of regulation in view and to justify increases where they consider them necessary. This sort of provision does not exist in this regulatory area, although we have had amendments of this kind in other areas, in my experience. I hope that the Minister will engage constructively with the amendments in this group.

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[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

I think that, in my amendment, I was trying to talk about when powers are exercised under the Act. Obviously, I appreciate the work that is being done to get the thicket out of the existing regulator. However, we are trying to introduce a system that, when regulations are being made—there will be many as a result of the Bill, because we are extending financial regulation into lots of new areas—that will be done in a way that really looks at the burdens. I am not sure that the cost-benefit panels and their work, which we discussed earlier, quite do that, so I ask the Minister to look at this constructively.

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply, and everybody else who has spoken in the debate—I do not need to go over any of it again. It was interesting that the Minister elaborated on some of the co-operation that already goes on. I think that it could be interesting for the Committee to ask the regulators to further explain to us how they do that. We hear from industry that if feels there is duplication going on, so maybe we can try to join up that loop. For now, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Renters’ Rights Bill

Debate between Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

Consideration of Commons amendments and / or reasons
Tuesday 14th October 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

My Lords, I refer to my register of interests as the joint owner of a small cottage in the village where I live.

I strongly support Amendment 64B, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord de Clifford. It has had the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, and of caring organisations, which would be helped immediately, not just condemned to wait for the Casey review, which we are all very keen to see. The amendment has been tightened up considerably by the noble Lord, Lord de Clifford, to avoid any abuse, in response to comments that the Minister herself made in Committee, which is very helpful.

The Government’s negative response is an example of their unwillingness so far to take the demise of carers seriously. Being able to provide accommodation for carers can make a real difference to their availability.

Not every carer wants to be a live-in carer, especially if they have families, yet we need growing numbers of carers. This is because there are ever-growing numbers of the aged and the disabled, as well as a scarcity of care home and hospice spaces. There is an acute shortage of housing and a scarcity of short-term accommodation, partly as a result of this very Bill. At the same time, we have smaller families, more couples having no children and more people seeing their relatives working or moving overseas. The need for hired carers is increasing, therefore, and those carers need short-term accommodation—it can sometimes be for years—as they move, over time, from job to job in different locations. We need to look at this. This change will be a small and totemic positive that would help both the caring sector and families in need. I invite the Minister to think again.

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I rise to speak to the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord de Clifford. As previously, I declare my interest as a private landlord. In the context of this amendment, I had a relative to whom it would have applied; that interest no longer applies, as the Bill has caused plans to be advanced and the tenants in the relevant property were given notice under current law, but, of course, that does not take away my general concern around this topic.

This replacement amendment now has a narrower scope, applying only to homes needed to house carers in the immediate family—that is, the landlord, a spouse or children. Thus, it closes a loophole perceived by some of it being used by those with an awful lot of relatives, as was discussed with the Minister.

Some people have live-in carers. Others may need more than one carer or have progressive conditions. Whatever the reason—whether financial or in terms of availability—it may not be possible to have one large house to accommodate all the future carer needs under one roof or to sustain expenditure on such a property before it is required. People have to plan for the future deterioration of the person needing care and of the family members who are part of their support.

Some may have invested in an ideal adjacent property in good faith under current law as it became available. They may be using insurance payouts and—especially in the instance of children—are needing to plan for when parents are no longer around. Such plans have to be scrapped under this Bill, most likely resulting in property sales and earlier evictions. It may be a one-off readjustment, because nobody will make such plans in future, but is it really necessary to hit the vulnerable, such as children damaged at birth? That is among what we are doing.

To suggest that it is easy for affected people to set up and move elsewhere because they have the resources of more than one property is cruel. Avoiding upheaval can be an important factor, for reasons both of the health of the impaired person and of making bespoke adjustments to property—all of the equipment, bars, ramps, bathroom locations and so on. This is really not fair and not caring. I therefore support this amendment; with the narrower scope, I believe that it is a fair suggestion.

Renters’ Rights Bill

Debate between Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

Report stage
Tuesday 1st July 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I added my name to this amendment and spoke during previous Bill stages. I declare my interests as a private landlord, in my own right and also as a trustee, and as having a relative who purchased the flat above theirs when a carer was needed, which was going to be the case in due course. That planning is now, of course, in some disarray: they wonder whether they must evict the present tenant and bring forward the employment of a carer, even though that is not yet necessary.

Since the discussion in Committee and since speaking with the Minister, whom I thank for her time, I have spoken to various care organisations, which are all supportive of the amendment. They made some recommendations that lie behind the changes in language since the amendment was tabled in Committee. The care organisations have taught me that there is a very wide way in which carers are used, both in the regulated sector and outside it, on which many people rely for vital tasks, health and personal care. Absent the voluntary sector, a lot more costs would fall on health and social services.

However, it is not always easy to find a family member who can do this. Families are much smaller nowadays—my husband and I were adding up what has happened in our own family and, if we chase it back, 14 at our age level will end up being replaced by far fewer at the grandchild level. With those kinds of circumstances, with many more people working, women not wanting to stay at home and families spreading much further from where they grew up and from where parents or others needing care within the family might be, the care organisations say that the reliance is on what they term “loved ones”. It is a very wide phrase; quite often, it means friends and neighbours whom they have lived close to who have helped one another during their lives. When one of them falls ill or becomes disabled or, in many sad cases, is a survivor of cancer who has been left with life-changing circumstances, they become the carer who helps them. As their condition deteriorates, it may be necessary for the carer to be nearby.

The care organisations that I have spoken to, and which support the amendment, are the Homecare Association, Care England, the National Care Forum, the National Care Association and Carers UK. I thank them for their time and recommendations.

We are quite aware that the Minister does not want to create loopholes—that was the main feature of the discussion that we had. For that purpose, we have provided that regulations can be made to amend the definition of “carer”. In many ways, I would prefer it if we did not have that there, because the Minister could make regulations that took away anything useful, but I am hoping that it would be done only in the light of experience if one found that the term was being somehow abused.

In considering carers, we also need to look at care patterns. Many people who need serious care have several carers, who have to operate in shift systems, whether that be daily, weekly or monthly. Sometimes, the carer may come from overseas and stay for six weeks, and then they go back and somebody else comes in, so there is a rolling pattern. It will be very difficult if they cannot necessarily be conveniently located.

So I ask the Minister to think again. Yes, there may not be a great number of people who would be helped by the amendment in the way that a huge number of renters will be helped by the Bill, but in a civil society being a minority has never been a ground for discrimination. Therefore, I ask the Minister to think about this and to understand that, like her, we do not want cheaters to abuse this; we want people who are in need of this service to be able to avail themselves of properties that, often, they have bought to plan for their care—and, indeed, in order not to be a burden on the state. Should they not be allowed the peace of mind that they will be able to fulfil those plans?

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

My Lords, I also support Amendment 21 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord de Clifford, and the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, to which I have added my name. I am particularly grateful for the warm words of my noble friend Lord Jamieson and for the support of the various carers organisations which do such an important job in our society.

The Bill will allow a landlord to take possession of a property for a family reason. Our small extension would allow a nearby property to be taken back in hand if it were needed to house a carer. In the meantime, it would be available, for example, as a dwelling for a struggling local couple or an individual seeking a home.

With ever-growing numbers of the aged and disabled, with the move to smaller homes and smaller families, and with a scarcity of care homes and hospices, the provision for short-term housing of professional carers, often changing at short notice, will become more and more important in coping with our ageing population. This is particularly true in rural areas, which are being so battered by other changes the Government have felt it necessary to make.

I declare an interest, recorded in the register, as the owner of such a cottage bought specifically for a carer and generally let to a local on a shorthold tenancy. Such tenancies have expanded the rental market hugely in this country and will be completely swept away by the Bill. So, we need to do what we can together in this House to moderate its perverse consequences—notably in this case to make things better for carers. Fortunately, neither my husband nor I yet need a carer, but we may need one eventually, and my concern, like that of the noble Lord, Lord de Clifford, is a general one. I can guarantee that I am not alone.

I have no idea how the Government will find the 1 million more rented homes Savills believes we need by 2031 unless they make some sensible technical changes to the Bill, which is being constructively debated by knowledgeable experts here in this House. Our Amendment 21 falls into that category. I hope others will join us in the Lobby and in calling on the Government to think again on this issue.