Debates between Baroness Garden of Frognal and Lord Livermore during the 2024 Parliament

Further Education Colleges: Recovery of VAT

Debate between Baroness Garden of Frognal and Lord Livermore
Tuesday 9th June 2026

(1 month, 3 weeks ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Livermore Portrait Lord Livermore (Lab)
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Yes, although overhauling the entire VAT system would be something of a long-term project.

Baroness Garden of Frognal Portrait Baroness Garden of Frognal (LD)
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My Lords, I endorse everything that the noble Baroness, Lady Blackstone, said about the disparity in pay between FE lecturers and schoolteachers, and the iniquity of that. FE is simply not treated in the same way as other educational systems. The Minister keeps saying that the Government are looking into this. Can he put a timescale on that? Are they looking into it this year, next year or way in the future?

Lord Livermore Portrait Lord Livermore (Lab)
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As I have said, we are looking into the VAT position of these colleges. I am not in a position to put a timescale on that just now.

School Fees: VAT

Debate between Baroness Garden of Frognal and Lord Livermore
Thursday 10th October 2024

(1 year, 9 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Livermore Portrait Lord Livermore (Lab)
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I am very grateful for the noble Baroness’s insight and expertise on this matter. In answer to her question, that is absolutely what we will seek. As she knows, where parents are paying fees for their child to attend a private music or dance school they will pay VAT on those fees following this change. The music and dance scheme funds talented pupils from low-income families to attend such specialist schools, and we will monitor closely any impact of these policy changes and consider any changes to this scheme at the forthcoming spending review.

Baroness Garden of Frognal Portrait Baroness Garden of Frognal (LD)
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My Lords, this is a deeply damaging and mean measure, as the noble Lord, Lord Black, said. It is unlikely to hurt wealthy parents but it will hit those with limited means trying to do their best for their children with special needs or, as the noble Baroness, Lady Bull, said, with specialist skills. Please will the Government at least defer to September to avoid the trauma of mid-term changes, which I am quite sure no educationalist would ever have agreed—I do not know who came up with this policy for a January date? Can the Minister say whether the allowances for children of military personnel will be increased to cover the extra cost for them?

Lord Livermore Portrait Lord Livermore (Lab)
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The answer to the noble Baroness’s first question is no and the answer to her second question is that that is a matter for the spending review. I disagree fundamentally with her characterisation of this policy. I want to see excellence in education for children in places like where I grew up, whose parents will never be able to afford to pay for their education. They are every bit as ambitious for their children as any other parent.