National Insurance Contributions (Secondary Class 1 Contributions) Bill

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie Excerpts

Report stage
Tuesday 25th February 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Macpherson of Earl’s Court (CB)]

Many apologies to the noble Baroness; I stand corrected. The cut in employee national insurance was considerable. Looking at the macro effects of employee and employer national insurance on the labour market, I regard the changes that have taken place as broadly neutral across the board.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I am not an economist, but I run a small Scottish charity that provides health services. I want to come back on some of the points raised.

I wish the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, the noble Viscount, Lord Chandos, and even the noble Lord, Lord Macpherson, had had the recess that I have just had—looking at our employees, some of whom have been with us for over 20 years and are highly trained clinical specialists, and telling them that their roles are under threat of redundancy. As I said at an earlier stage of this Bill, I have not been able to participate in it as much as I would have wished because of its effects on my organisation, which are that people will lose their jobs and organisations will lose skill. Those are very difficult things to build up again.

Like the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, I have been in touch with the Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland. I am slightly concerned that these amendments do not cover health and social care services in Scotland. If he is to bring back an amendment at Third Reading, I will happily work with him on it.

I would love a simpler tax regime and would absolutely support it. The way to have one is not to have this national insurance increase—that would be very simple. The lists covered by these amendments are all of organisations that support public services and the public sector. These are services that many government agencies are required to provide by law, yet they are farmed out to organisations such as ours, as well as to CrossReach, Ark and others.

Frustratingly, this demonstrates a huge lack of understanding by this Government of how these measures will affect vulnerable people—the people who these organisations support. My organisation, Cerebral Palsy Scotland, is a regulated, registered charity, so we cannot put up prices. Our raison d’être is to make our services available to the most vulnerable who cannot pay for them, and so we cannot put up our prices. Yes, we may have benefitted last year from paying slightly less employers’ or employee national insurance, but all our providers—the people who clean our centres, help us with IT, empty our sanitary bins, and things like that—employ people and they are all putting up their costs. Our costs are rising, our national insurance is rising, and because of the minimum wage increases at the same time, it is becoming more and more expensive for us to employ people. The only thing we can therefore do is to cut our cloth and employ fewer people.

I do not understand these measures. I support having lists of different sectors, because these are the sectors that are delivering support that gives people choice, quality of life and control over their lives, and that support the NHS and the social care sector, which would otherwise be stuck. This is a measure that will not save public services, as the Minister has told us it has been put in place to do, but that will, I am afraid, crush them.

[Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon (Con)]

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment so ably tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Barker. I pay tribute to her for her attentive nature during Committee. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, that the fact there is this extensive list demonstrates once again the lack of an impact assessment, on which I implored the Minister in Committee.

I was a Minister for over 12 years. One thing you learn as a Minister is that, when taking a Bill through, you must consult with and speak to the sectors—you must talk to them and understand their challenges and then address those issues. Unfortunately, that had not been done. Take adult social care, where the impact is close to £1 billion. We may hear from the Minister that this has been addressed in the Budget, but it has not. The Nuffield Trust has said as much: the actual measures put forward in the Budget will be dwarfed by these contributions, and that is just in adult social care. Talk to community pharmacies and they will make a desperate plea, akin to what we have just heard from my noble friend, and say that they will have to shut. Why? Because they cannot afford to keep their employees.

Even at this late stage, I implore the Minister to listen, connect and communicate, and, I hope, to take on board some of the challenges and important concerns being put across in this House on behalf of the many different community services that will so desperately be impacted by these national insurance increases.

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[Baroness Sater (Con)]

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 9, to which I have added my name, and to Amendment 4. I declare my interest as set out in the register and as a trustee of the Dartington Hall Trust.

My contribution today will be short, as so much as already been said during the passage of the Bill. We have heard many passionate statements today. I have already spoken of my concern about the impact of the increases in national insurance contributions on the future of the charity sector and its ability to continue to deliver much-needed services and support. Along with many others, I believe that we have put forward compelling and passionate reasons why the charitable sector should not be subject to the Government’s national insurance contribution increases.

At both previous stages of the Bill, I have respectfully asked for the impact assessment of this tax on the sector. The Minister and his Government have not, to date, reconsidered their position or produced the impact assessment, which other noble Lords have again asked for today. It seems extraordinarily unfair that the Government indirectly exempt the public sector but decline to exempt or reimburse the charity sector. I cannot understand it.

At the risk of repetition, let me say that the National Council for Voluntary Organisations estimates that the increased cost of this tax to the sector is £1.4 billion. It has raised its concerns to the Treasury. Together with the Association of Chief Executives of Voluntary Organisations and the Charity Finance Group, they perfectly summed up this situation when they wrote that

“the knock-on impact it will have on individuals, communities and local economies who rely on us will be devastating”.

Those are voices from the sector, who represent so many charities across the country.

I am sure that the Minister has heard many calls for help himself from across the charity sector. I hope that he recognises that this tax will have a long-lasting impact on the sector’s ability to deliver many of the vital services on which government and so many others rely. Let me put to your Lordships this: if a charity approached you for support for a good cause, I have little doubt that you would be generous to the extent that you could afford; if the same charity asked you for a donation not to do good works but so that it could pay the increased taxes to the Government, I suspect that you and I would not feel inclined to put our hand in our pockets. The charity sector should not be a cash cow for the Government.

Sadly, unless the Government reconsider this tax on our charities, they will greatly diminish, and the majority will need, at best, to shrink the number of people they employ and the services they provide. In the worst scenarios, charities will close. We have already heard from charities, including from my noble friend Lady Fraser, of staff reductions, redundancies and potential closures. Fundraising and costs management is difficult enough for charities; the future of the sector is looking very bleak. Many of them help the most vulnerable in society, do wonderful work across many other areas—I will not list them today—and are the backbone of our civil society. I hope that the Minister will reconsider his position and listen to what is said today.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I rise to thank my colleagues. As the chief executive of a charity, I know that the sector is watching and listening to what we are doing here and urging us on to do everything we can to mitigate this disastrous policy.

The noble Lord, Lord Bruce of Bennachie, mentioned Scotland. In an earlier debate, it became apparent that the drafting of some of the amendments perhaps did not cover Scotland. Any charity in Scotland of any size has to be registered by the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator and I would want to be reassured that exemptions covered the entire sector. It amounts to 5% of Scotland’s workforce, and with an increasing number of redundancies and the struggle to recruit volunteers, the workforce is already under strain and potentially limited in its capacity to deliver services.

The Minister spoke earlier about the Government’s increased funding to various sectors, some of which are covered by the charity sector. However, he did not outline how that might help those not in receipt of public sector funding but who are delivering services which support public sector delivery.

Finally, as chief executive of Cerebral Palsy Scotland, SEND transport is an issue firmly in my bag. We already know that the SEND system is under immense strain. We already know of children who cannot go to the school it has been assessed they should attend because of transport issues. This is very complex: transport is provided mostly by private providers. There is already a limited choice of schools. Many children need specialist vehicles to get from A to B. As the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, said, many firms will be forced to hand back contracts.

I look forward with interest to the Minister’s response to these challenges.

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

Amendment 3 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer, seeks to establish a relief for early years settings, universities, charities and small businesses. These are all important sectors; they will be hit hard by the Government’s jobs tax, so we agree with the sentiments that she expressed. However, we have concerns about the financial implication of relief for all these sectors in one amendment. We are instead promoting some modest and separate amendments, which I am afraid makes for a big group.

Amendments 4, 14, 21 and 28 in my name would exempt charities with an annual revenue of less than £1 million from the increase in employer national insurance contributions. My noble friend Lord Leigh spoke persuasively in favour of this proposal, following the pre-emption of his own amendments. My Amendment 35 proposes an increased level of employment allowance for charities.

Noble Lords across the House have been contacted by many charities which are facing tough financial decisions. We have had many worrying examples throughout the stages of this Bill. My noble friends Lady Sater and Lady Fraser made the case for action strongly. My latest example was L’Arche in the UK, which brings together people with and without learning disabilities in life-sharing communities. Again, they are facing hugely steep rises in employment costs. The most vulnerable people in our society will pay the price for Ministers’ misguided Budget decisions.

Amendment 5 seeks to protect children with special educational needs or disabilities. I know that the Licensed Private Hire Car Association SEND transport operators group has written to many noble Lords highlighting the issues that families who rely on these services are facing. It estimates that the associated local funding shortfall in the next tax year, 2025-26, in respect of the services it contracts out to private providers, will be £40 million. That is a relatively small number compared with the overall revenue expected from the jobs tax— £23 billion to £26 billion, depending on the year—but the impact on vulnerable children is wildly disproportionate to that revenue. Like my noble friend Lady Fraser, we feel very strongly that these vital services should be protected. Like the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, we prefer our formulation on SEND.

Finally, my Amendment 33 addresses early years provision by seeking to increase the employment allowance for early years providers. In government, we took strong action to support the early years sector, while expanding the free childcare offer to all children under five in England last year. The Government are right to adopt our expansion plan in full. We are grateful for that. However, some providers are worried that they will not be able to access the employment allowance because of the public work they do. It would be good if the Minister could look at that again. We are seeing very big cost increases in early years provision, which is extremely worrying.

In conclusion, the Official Opposition feel that the Government must change their approach. We are not satisfied by the Minister’s responses so far and our current intention is to divide on Amendments 4, 5 and 33.