Business of the House

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Thursday 10th January 2019 Commons Chamber

[Andrea Leadsom]

Fantastic. My hon. Friend, as ever, raises what sounds like a superb event in his constituency. I certainly hope that clavie king Dan Ralph continues to attend for many years to come.

The Government fully recognise the contribution that the UK’s oral traditions, social practices and festive events make to the country’s cultural fabric, and we continue to encourage communities to celebrate these practices and continue them for future generations.

[Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)]

I listened very closely to the Leader of the House when she said that the Prime Minister will abide by the result of yesterday’s vote. The Leader of the House did not categorically guarantee that that means her Government will schedule the next motion for Monday 21 January after the Government lose the meaningful vote next Tuesday, as we anticipate. Could she do that? Will she also confirm where and when she will lodge copies of the advice she receives from officials on these matters, as she also indicated in a previous answer?

[Andrea Leadsom]

I absolutely reassure the hon. Lady that my advice was that the amendment selected yesterday would not be in order and would not be selectable. That is the advice I received, and I hope that is very clear. With regard to whether the Government will abide by the Grieve amendment, the Government will abide by the Grieve amendment, and I hope that is now entirely clear.

Business of the House

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Thursday 20th December 2018 Commons Chamber

[Andrea Leadsom]

My hon. Friend seems to make his constituency gaining city status a feature of his pre-recess bids. Having visited it recently with him, I have to say that it is a very happy place, but perhaps that is because he represents it so well. He will be aware that the criteria used to judge applications are determined once a city status competition has been called. The Government do not, I am afraid, have plans at present for a city status competition. However, I urge him to make representations to the Cabinet Office for the next time.

[Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)]

May I extend my Christmas and happy new year wishes to the whole House?

On a very serious matter, the Leader of the House will be aware that yesterday there was a report in The Times about a leaked document from the Department for Work and Pensions that outlines different planning for Brexit scenarios. In particular, on a no-deal Brexit, the document warns of increased poverty, increased homelessness and a potential £12 billion cost to our country in increased unemployment costs. I note that we have seen online that the Government overnight—in the past 24 hours—have quietly edited every no-deal technical notice to take out the word “unlikely” from the sentence,

“in the unlikely event of no deal”.

This is a very serious situation. In her opening remarks, the Leader of the House talked about the need for reducing uncertainty and for us all therefore to vote in support of the withdrawal agreement. We are not going to get the chance to do that at the very least—if it goes ahead—for 24 days. Why is she not bringing the House back at the very least on 2 January, when most of the country goes back to work, to contend with the uncertainty that is causing a crisis in the country?

[Andrea Leadsom]

The hon. Lady raised the issue of a leaked document and she will be aware that we do not comment on leaked documents. At the same time, she will also be aware that any competent Government must always plan for all eventualities. That is not to predict that those are going to happen, but to ensure that we are never caught out by circumstances beyond our control. The Government will prepare for all eventualities and it is right that we do so.

The hon. Lady asked about bringing back the meaningful vote. As has been explained by the Prime Minister in the many statements she has made to this House, she has listened very carefully to the beginning of the debate on the meaningful vote and to the representations made right across the House about the grave concerns, particularly in regard to the backstop. The Prime Minister is determined to get the legal reassurances that hon. and right hon. Members want to see, and we will return with that vote once we are more confident that the House will support it. That is what will deliver the country from the uncertainty and that is what the Prime Minister is committed to achieving.

Business of the House

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Thursday 13th December 2018 Commons Chamber

[Andrea Leadsom]

I thank my hon. Friend; his approach is exactly right. Even if he did not support the Prime Minister, she won by a clear majority, and it is right that he now supports her.

My hon. Friend asks what the guaranteed lengh of time for debate will be. He will appreciate that that decision depends on what the Prime Minister comes back with. She is seeking significant reassurances, so that she can bring back a withdrawal agreement that the House will support. It is not possible to set out the exact terms of resumption of the debate or, indeed, the terms of an entirely new debate until we see what the Prime Minister is able to bring back. We are certain that the debate and the vote will come back to the House by 21 January, and that time will be given for all Members to make a contribution to it.

[Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)]

My constituents and the country are crying out for certainty. Will the Leader of the House commit to amend our recess time and have the House sit before Christmas and/or from 2 January, if necessary, so that we can rule out a reckless no-deal Brexit? We urgently need to stop the contingency plans for our NHS, other public services and businesses right across the country being triggered, because it will cost our country millions of pounds.

[Andrea Leadsom]

I fully understand the hon. Lady’s concerns. She will understand that the legal position at present is that, in the event that there was no agreement on our withdrawal and potentially the political declaration between now and the end of March 2019, the UK would leave the EU without a deal. It is right—[Interruption.] The hon. Lady is shouting back at me, but I hope she will hear me out. It is vital that any Government make preparations for all outcomes. That is the right thing to do, in the country’s interests. It would be wrong of us to assume that a deal will be forthcoming and therefore to put down our preparations. We will continue to prepare for all outcomes, including no deal.

Proxy Voting

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Wednesday 18th July 2018 Commons Chamber

[Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)]

The Leader of the House should not underestimate the damage done by what happened yesterday. I urge her to look very closely, if she has not already, at the comments on social media. I have certainly received representations from my constituents today who are appalled by what happened in this House. We should be setting the example, not falling short of it. The public will have heard the apology from the Leader of the House, but why are the Chief Whip and her right hon. Friend the Member for Great Yarmouth (Brandon Lewis) not here to listen to this urgent question—[Hon. Members: “He is here!”] My apologies, but equally, the sentiment of that apology will be diminished by the Chief Whip’s absence.

[Andrea Leadsom]

My right hon. Friend the Member for Great Yarmouth is indeed here. When he and I spoke last night about this subject, he was very upset to hear about this problem. He was unaware. He was absolutely blameless in this, and he has apologised to the hon. Member for East Dunbartonshire. He is here, so I hope that the hon. Lady recognises that. As for my right hon. Friend the Chief Whip, his deputy is here and he has apologised on behalf of the Whips Office, where the administrative error took place.

Sexual Harassment in Parliament

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Monday 30th October 2017 Commons Chamber

[Andrea Leadsom]

The employee assistance programme is intended as a safety net to complement the existing pastoral care and internal processes put in place by MPs themselves and the main political parties. In response to my hon. Friend’s specific question about how many calls have been made to it, I do not know but I can find out and place the figures in the Library.

[Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)]

When I visit one of the schools in my constituency, as we all often do as MPs, I am required to sign in and I am made aware of the safeguarding policies each and every time. I recognise that Parliament is not exactly the same as a school, but I am concerned that visitors brought on to the estate to socialise late at night must also be held responsible. How will the Leader of the House ensure that this is a safe place for all, by all, all the time?

[Andrea Leadsom]

The hon. Lady raises a different but equally very important point, which is the safety and protection of those who come on to the estate. I am looking at that carefully. As I mentioned to the hon. Member for Newcastle upon Tyne Central (Chi Onwurah), I will be meeting Lord McFall tomorrow to discuss exactly how we protect those who come on to the estate to socialise, often quite late at night.

Early Childhood Development

Debate between Andrea Leadsom and Luciana Berger

Thursday 30th January 2014 Westminster Hall

[Luciana Berger]

Towards the end of my contribution, I shall reflect on the hon. Gentleman’s points about social mobility. He commented that the gap between rich and poor might not have changed. Nevertheless, Sure Start centres have provided vital services to parents and families who might not have contended with that specific issue, but have dealt with a lot of other ones that we have discussed.

In the debate, we have not touched on health visitors, who are integral to this issue. It is welcome that the Government are committed to increasing the number of health visitors. The latest figures from the Health and Social Care Information Centre, however, show that there are 1,234 more health visitors than in April 2010, but that is less than a third of the way towards the Prime Minister’s target of 4,200 new health visitors by April 2015. With the deadline looming, will the Minister please offer some words of assurance about meeting the target?

[Andrea Leadsom]

I have talked to a lot of health visitors, and there is a concern that by letting speed be the only target, we might pile a lot of new health visitors into the system but diminish our ratio of experienced health visitors to inexperienced ones, and those trying to support new health visitors will struggle. Generally speaking, my feedback from health visitors is that they are happy that the rate of new arrivals is not as rapid as the hon. Lady might like.

[Luciana Berger]

I listened to the hon. Lady’s point about the speed of introduction, but reflecting on the experience in my area of Liverpool, the work load on our health visitors is such that they cannot provide the best service possible, because they are so swamped by the amount of visits that they have to do. I contend that there is a challenge in the work load on health visitors. Will the Minister share with us what steps her Department is taking to meet the target?

On maternal support, in particular during the months of pregnancy, with births in the UK at a 40-year high, prioritising maternity services has never been more urgent. Around 10 stillbirths happen in Britain every day, and we have one of the highest stillbirth rates: according to The Lancet, Britain is ranked 33rd out of 35 countries with similar income levels. The charity Sands has linked that to maternity care, issues to do with inappropriate risk assessments for potential mothers and low uptake of perinatal services. Given that neonatal mortality and stillbirth have been indicated as areas for improvement in the NHS mandate to 2015, will the Minister please share with us what activities her Department will undertake to lower the stillbirth rate in England?

The findings of a National Audit Office review late last year are also of concern. It found that more than half of birthing units are not meeting staffing guidelines; that more than one in 10 had to close for a fortnight or more last year; and that 28%, or nearly a third, were forced to turn away mums-to-be at the door between last April and September because of a lack of space or a shortage of midwives. We can all understand how stressful that must be for women towards the end of their pregnancy.

[Mr David Amess in the Chair]

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for East Lothian (Fiona O'Donnell) for raising the important issue of premature babies and for sharing her personal experience of having premature twins and of the importance of the neonatal care received by her sons. A parent in a similar position who had to work might struggle to balance that with visiting the hospital and developing a bond with the babies.

We all have friends or family, or know people who have been expectant mums—some people in the room have been expectant mums—so we know that a skilled midwife can make all the difference between a smooth pregnancy and a stressful one. It is deeply concerning, therefore, that the NAO has highlighted that there is a shortfall of 2,300 midwives. The hon. Member for South Northamptonshire highlighted the increase in midwives’ work loads. The Royal College of Midwives has also calculated that the gap between the number of midwives we have and the number that the NHS in England needs will not be closed until 2026.

Before the previous election, the Prime Minister promised that there would be 3,000 new midwives during this Parliament. Again, regretfully, that target is some way short of being delivered. I am aware that there are many midwives in training, but the high drop-out rate and impending retirements could mean that we face significant shortages for some time to come. We would appreciate any reassurance that the Minister can provide on that matter.

Will the Minister also comment on the training that midwives receive? We have heard from a number of Members about the importance of maternal mental health. Mental ill health is one the biggest risks to a pregnancy, with one in 10 mothers suffering a mental illness before or after birth. Last November, I asked the Under-Secretary of State for Health, the hon. Member for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich (Dr Poulter), what proportion of midwives were trained to provide expectant mothers with mental health support. Unfortunately, he was not able to provide a figure, but I am sure that both he and the Minister agree that we need more midwives who are confident in providing that kind of support.

We also need more specialist mother and baby mental health units. It has been estimated that as much as 50% of the UK lacks any kind of specialist perinatal mental health service. There are only 17 mother and baby mental health units across England, and they are geographically disparate. There are just two in Scotland and one in Wales, and none in Northern Ireland. As both the hon. Member for South Northamptonshire and my hon. Friend the Member for East Lothian said, it is a postcode lottery.

The hon. Member for South Northamptonshire talked about the 1% of mothers who might experience a psychotic episode. That could lead to mothers being hospitalised two or three hours’ drive away from their loved ones. It could also mean that they are separated from their babies. That is good for neither the mother’s well-being nor her newborn child’s development.

I thank all those Members who have raised the importance of support for parenting. A number of Members thanked Home-Start for the work that it has done and the way in which it so helpfully supports parents. We have also heard about specific challenges on early intervention, maternal support and maternity care. However, we know that the challenge of improving early years development reaches far beyond those specific issues. The hon. Member for East Hampshire raised the issue of social mobility, for example; many social determinants extend well beyond the reach of the Department of Health. The hon. Member for South Northamptonshire suggested that the issue could be looked into more widely, perhaps at Cabinet level, and I take that point on board.

Both my hon. Friend the Member for East Lothian and the hon. Member for East Hampshire raised the issue of the importance of digital networks and social networks. They are indeed important, and I welcome the work done by Mumsnet and Netmums, but I would like to put on record the challenges there are for many mums who do not have access to the internet, or perhaps do not know how to use computers. Although digital networks are important and can help to support parents—both mums and dads—one issue that we need to look at further, which is far beyond the reach of the Department of Health, is access to the internet and to broadband, particularly for people living in rural areas. There is also the issue of being able to afford that internet access: people might not want to have to go to a public library to connect and reach out about specific personal issues. We should be thinking about those matters.

There are other issues that we should address, which again reach far wider than the remit of the Department of Health. For example, there is the problem of parents who are struggling with the cost of living, and those who are working all hours and do not have the time to be with their children because they are working all day. We must establish genuine parity of esteem between mental and physical health, across the board. We have to protect babies and children from specific dangers—just yesterday in the House of Lords, for example, there was a debate about protecting children and babies from smoke in cars. There is no better investment that we can make as a society than in our children.

[Luciana Berger]

I thank my right hon. Friend for her important contribution to this debate. She has summed up many of the earlier speeches on the importance of this issue and how vital early intervention is. Right at the start of the debate, we heard about the science relating to the difference in brain development of children who get that care, love and affection in early life, and those who do not. As we heard, that care is vital to the development of a child over their entire lifetime. I echo her remarks on the millennium development goals. This issue is important not only for us in the UK but further afield, right across the world. I support her call for early intervention to be included in the 2015 goals.

[Andrea Leadsom]

I pay tribute to the right hon. Member for Dulwich and West Norwood (Dame Tessa Jowell) for all her work on promoting early years development in the post-millennium development goals. I did not touch on that today, but she has played an enormous role. I can report that UNICEF has asked us to speak at the UN on the importance of the earliest years and how early intervention can support children, not just in this country but around the world. It is fantastic that she has been able to pop into the debate, and I commend her for all that she is doing.

[Luciana Berger]

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. I will now seek to conclude.