Debates between Alicia Kearns and James Heappey during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Tue 28th Nov 2023
Ukraine
Commons Chamber
(Urgent Question)
Thu 22nd Sep 2022

Ukraine

Debate between Alicia Kearns and James Heappey
Tuesday 28th November 2023

(1 year ago)

Commons Chamber
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James Heappey Portrait James Heappey
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The former Defence Secretary is a great man. The Opposition Front-Bench team has rightly sought to hold the Government to account for his commitment to an action plan, but I would reflect personally, in a rare moment of slight disagreement with him, that the masterplan for Ukraine next year is the Ukrainians’ plan for next year, and we, as their key leading supporter, have a duty to resource their plan. Understanding what that plan is and resourcing it, both through straight cash in-year as well as commitment over three to five years thereafter, are all things we undoubtedly need to do; I think there is complete agreement in the House on that. I understand the disappointment that the commitment was not made in the autumn statement, but for the UK to publish Ukraine’s plan would clearly be the wrong way of doing things; we need to understand what Ukraine’s plan is and then announce how we will resource it, and we will do so.

Alicia Kearns Portrait Alicia Kearns (Rutland and Melton) (Con)
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Ukraine is holding firm against one of the biggest militaries in the world and it still rightly refuses to see the mass loss of Ukrainian life. Will my right hon. Friend reassure me on the following two points? First, as there are reports that we are already seeing a reduction in artillery deliveries to Ukraine, is enough getting through? Secondly, following Medvedev’s threat to Poland, what are we doing to make sure our allies, such as Canada, meet their 2% of GDP commitment to NATO, as we need them to stay in the fight and protect that eastern flank?

James Heappey Portrait James Heappey
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On the first point, “enough” is what there is. Part of military planning is to moderate consumption levels to meet the scale of deliveries. Ukraine’s military planning must reflect manufacturing capacity and stockpiles across the donor community. Enough is getting through, but we will not find a single Ukrainian general who would not want 10 times that amount if it were available. On the second point, my hon. Friend is absolutely right: we must ensure that the donor community remains foursquare behind Ukraine. In all probability the plans for next year will need to be more around consolidation than the plan for this year, but it is very important that those in the donor community see whatever consolidation is necessary as the right military, strategic judgment—and still worthy of maintaining donor support—rather than peeling away because it does not feel as sensational as plans in previous years.

Ukraine

Debate between Alicia Kearns and James Heappey
Thursday 22nd September 2022

(2 years, 3 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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James Heappey Portrait James Heappey
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I absolutely will. I place on the record our enormous gratitude to the Ukrainian Government, for it is they who negotiated that release. We are hugely grateful to them for doing so.

In the face of—

Alicia Kearns Portrait Alicia Kearns (Rutland and Melton) (Con)
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Will my hon. Friend give way?

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James Heappey Portrait James Heappey
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I was nearly there. I will give way one last time.

Alicia Kearns Portrait Alicia Kearns
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I thank my right hon. Friend for that point about the hostages. However, Paul Urey’s family will have found yesterday incredibly difficult because he did not come home alive. Will the Minister please reassure me that the Government are doing all they can to hold Russian proxies to account for Paul Urey’s murder—it was exactly that—by a state?

James Heappey Portrait James Heappey
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We certainly are doing all we can. If my hon. Friend has any particular concerns, I would be very happy to meet her to discuss them.