Renewable Transport Fuel Obligations (Amendment) Order 2011

Debate between Viscount Eccles and Lord Palmer

Monday 5th December 2011 Grand Committee

[Viscount Eccles]

My Lords, this is a very difficult subject, as the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, said. It is of interest that the department has not produced its statistics up to April 2011—although we are in December. I also have a perception that the department has come to this instrument with a certain amount of reluctance—I do not think it likes it very much. The reason why it does not like it is absolutely understandable. The information upon which the order is based is very sketchy indeed. I used to be on the Merits Committee, and I probably spoke on another order on this subject some time ago. When I was on the Merits Committee I do not remember there being five impact assessments—all done during the summer holidays, I notice. That must be close to a record.

Before getting on to the instrument itself I wanted to make two points. The first one is about a holistic approach. It does not make sense, in the context of climate change, to talk only about fuel, and not about fuel consumption or about emission control coming out of modern cars. There needs to be a much more rounded approach. The European instruments which have been put into place, no doubt agreed by ourselves in a Council of Ministers, are not at all fit for purpose. In fact, I am pretty sure that they are completely unfit for purpose. There needs to be a much more radical look at how we look at the whole picture.

My second point follows up what the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, said about UK production. I think I am right in saying that at the moment, of the biofuels that we use in this country, 90 per cent is imported and only 10 per cent is produced in the United Kingdom. Those are the Department for Transport’s own statistics. The great majority of that is produced from tallow and waste cooking oil. On Teesside—I come from the north-east and reject the description of it being “deprived”, which is not right—there is a quarter of a million tonne plant—

[Lord Palmer]

I am sorry; I did not mean that in any derogatory way. I know that unemployment in the north-east is a good deal higher than in other parts of the country, which is why I was urging for more investment in the north-east. I hope the noble Viscount does not take my comments in any derogatory way, because they were not intended as such.

[Viscount Eccles]

I thank the noble Lord for that, but there are some people in the north-east who are very good at making the most of the difficulties that we have in the economy. It does not do us any good to overplay our hand.

There is a very large plant, which I know. It was engineered in large part by somebody with whom I used to work, and it is extremely well engineered. The company that was going to operate it went out of business. It is now owned, and, to a certain extent—I do not know quite how much—operated by Harvest, which is one of the suppliers of biofuels. It was designed to process rapeseed oil. My information is that it is not processing any rapeseed at all. I really question the whole future of the United Kingdom’s own production from the standard feedstock in temperate climates, which is rapeseed. I do not know what the position is.

It is notable that in the instrument and the impact assessments there is hardly a mention of rapeseed, and no references are made to United Kingdom production from rapeseed. Of course, rapeseed is a food; you can buy rapeseed oil in any supermarket, and it is very good for cooking. However, so is soya bean. The three principle feedstocks for biofuels—two for diesel—are soya bean, palm oil, and of course, rapeseed.

The soya bean is responsible for 50 per cent of the world’s supplies of vegetable oil. How will you determine whether a particular lot of soya comes from a sustainable source? I should declare a past interest: an organisation I was involved with used to grow soya beans in Zambia. We grew about 40 per cent of Zambia’s vegetable oil supplies in that area of the country—it was a very big operation. I have also been a palm oil grower. As for bioethanol, I have also been a sugar cane grower. I could volunteer to be a verifier; I would know what I was looking at. I have seen all sorts of land transferred, for example, from growing coconut trees to oil palms—but what was the land before coconuts were grown on it? My goodness, it was forest until somebody thought, “We need some food”. So they cleared the land and grew coconuts. Then the coconut industry became unremunerative and the coconut trees were replaced by oil palms.