Draft Conversion Practices Bill

Baroness Brown of Silvertown Excerpts

Wednesday 1st July 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Collins of Highbury (Lab)]

I thank the noble and right reverend Lord for his question and sort of agree with him. I have tried to be clear that the Bill criminalises abusive, harmful acts that are intended to change a person’s sexual orientation or transgender identity. That is what it is intended to do. Like my honourable friend in the other place, I welcome questions. I am not fearful of challenge. That is why we have put forward a very clear programme of pre-legislative scrutiny. It is an opportunity for these issues to be properly addressed.

[Baroness Brown of Silvertown (Lab)]

I am delighted that the Minister is here today with this piece of legislation. I thank him for that. When I was in the other place, I had members of my religious communities come to talk to me about their fears regarding conversion practices and therapies being undertaken in our community for vast amounts of money. Can the Minister assure me that we will do all that we can to protect those who are most vulnerable to abuse while not criminalising conversations about people’s sexuality or gender identity? That is what my religious community would want me to ask.

[Lord Collins of Highbury (Lab)]

I am glad that my noble friend has asked that question because I cannot be clearer. I might be offended by someone saying to me, “You’re gay, we don’t like it” or “It’s against my religious belief, I don’t want to be associated with you”. I can certainly be offended, but I would not argue that it should be against the law. When we have debated same-sex marriage in this House and the right reverend Prelate’s colleagues have stood up and said that it is wrong, I have never felt offended. Some of the comments in that debate I did feel offended by, but I expressed my views at the time.

We have really positive values in this country. Where is our compassion? Where is our urge to protect people from abuse? That is what this legislation will do. I ask noble Lords not to shake their heads. They do not need to. If noble Lords have questions and concerns, we have a process of pre-legislative scrutiny where these can be addressed. I am not afraid of debate or discussion. I am certainly not afraid of debate. As Minister for Africa, I faced Presidents of countries which were criminalising my sexual orientation. I was not afraid to enter into a debate with them. I am not afraid to enter into a debate with noble Lords opposite.